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Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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I remember the time when smart homes used to feature in sci-fi literature and concept videos. Being able to walk around your house while having everything seamlessly synced and tailored to your preferences was clearly the future. TV, movies and music automatically playing in whatever room your enter. Files and all other data seamlessly synced between all your devices. Not having to think about how to make the tech wo…

As with so much technology, the technology exists in part to provide a service to the customer, but more and more it exists to direct the customer into the behaviors desired by the technology owner and its advertising partners. This isn't always so evil or insidious, but the point stands that Netflix (or almost any modern service) doesn't want you to do what _you_ want with your devices. It wants to direct you toward…

The problem is, opting out doesn’t provide signal by reallocating market share. It just shrinks the market.

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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That's also rather shit, unless you're using a prescribed browser and operating system. We've rebuilt cable boxes, but somehow they're even shittier than before.

I’ve run homebrew DVRs since the MythTV/Hauppauge era and it’s true My family won’t adapt to anything in the living room with a keyboard and mouse, and getting a reliable remote on any PC based solution is often problematic.

Not even those dirt cheap bluetooth devices with a trackpad and mini keyboard? Those are great and it just works.

Or what about the Steam Controller? It's UX is similar to some nicer smart TV interfaces.

The real solution is you build an app that is nice for your family to use and just tells the boxes what to play. Sure hope your family doesn't use iPhones!

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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> Not sure the full motivation behind this This feature was one of the main reasons how Netflix movies/shows could be captured/uploaded to piracy sites in full quality as soon as they were released. People recorded the video output and uploaded them. This is to remove that path. Kinda obvious if you ask.

How is this different from recording video output from a not-casted stream?

It isn't, some people just like to post completely made up nonsense on topics they don't understand.

Edit: GP's username should have been a hint...

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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A big part of why marketplaces like Netflix and Steam got so popular is because they provided a low-friction way to consume that was even easier than piracy. It seems like the pendulum is starting to swing in the other direction now- it's often easier to copyright infringe than to watch something the legit way, even if you pay for a subscription that grants you access. Great example of something that's illegal but no…

I wish there was a service like steam for videos: not subscription but high confidence purchase of video content available "forever" (even if they remove it from the purchasing options, license would remain). Personally I watch so little tv/movies that any subscription was always overpaying. I still did it for a while, because the price wasn't high enough to push me to seek out other options. I'm no longer subbing an…

$30 for a season pass from iTunes seemed like a ridiculous price until you do the math and realize that it really isn't.

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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> Not sure the full motivation behind this This feature was one of the main reasons how Netflix movies/shows could be captured/uploaded to piracy sites in full quality as soon as they were released. People recorded the video output and uploaded them. This is to remove that path. Kinda obvious if you ask.

That's not how casting works. It's actually super locked down: the TV loads a netflix website and you can't create your own Chromecast receivers.

How does VLC do it then?

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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I remember the time when smart homes used to feature in sci-fi literature and concept videos. Being able to walk around your house while having everything seamlessly synced and tailored to your preferences was clearly the future. TV, movies and music automatically playing in whatever room your enter. Files and all other data seamlessly synced between all your devices. Not having to think about how to make the tech wo…

there was an ad, or a presentation in a conference keynote, from when microsoft built phones, showing a user leaving the house and continuing what was he doing in the car in a very futuristic way. I can't find it now, but was something crazy by then, the continuum idea was also a good one, but here we are, walled gardens and nothing smart about them.

I know exactly which one you're referring to!

(it's a woman, presumably just arrived on a flight, catching a taxi to her hotel)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FpO-G5die4

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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I think those who believe regulation is universally the devil forget the era where products were received DOA and customers had no recourse while companies simply called it profit.

I can't take anyone that views regulation as universally evil seriously when history is full of stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor

Evidently HN doesn't like this particular history...

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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A big part of why marketplaces like Netflix and Steam got so popular is because they provided a low-friction way to consume that was even easier than piracy. It seems like the pendulum is starting to swing in the other direction now- it's often easier to copyright infringe than to watch something the legit way, even if you pay for a subscription that grants you access. Great example of something that's illegal but no…

This is no joke. I tried watching the latest episode of Plur1bus on Apple TV+ on my laptop and here's the steps I went through:

1. Start chrome, navigate to tv.apple.com, click on the #1 show of the day (no problem)

2. The site tells me I can sign up for the TV service that I already have instead of offering a play button.

3. I click on the "sign up" which pauses for 10 seconds then tells me I'm already subscribed why did I hit the button you idiot.

4. I back arrow to the original page, it still asks me to sign up, hit F5 a couple of times to no effect.

5. Reload tv.apple.com from the start and navigate to the page, now it finally shows a play button.

6. Hit the play button but it gives me a popup saying that I need to verify the three digits off of the back of my credit card. I enter the digits and click the next button, but nothing happens.

7. Off to Google where I learn that if that happens you can log into accounts.apple.com first to avoid it.

8. I go through the login process on apple's site, which involves pulling out my phone to scan a QR code.

9. On the Apple site I try to go to the AppleTV+ options, which requires a second QR scan on my phone because it's apparently a different account.

10. On the site I verify that it shows the ATV+ subscription is active.

11. Return to tv.apple.com and click on the show to see that it again says I need to sign up to the service.

12. Click on the sign up button again to be told that I'm already subscribed.

13. Go back and reload the page entirely again so the play button reappears.

14. Click on the play button and get asked for the three digits again. Groan.

15. This time the next button actually works (miracle!) and it loads a second page talking about parental controls with another non-working button on the bottom.

16. I close the window and click on my profile in the upper right, verify that the parental controls are off.

17. Attempt to watch again, but again get stuck doing the 3 digit verify and get stuck on the parental controls window.

18. Go back to the settings and try turning on parental controls, which requires setting a PIN and doing another account verification, but leaving them on the most permissive settings.

19. Return to the site, to discover that it asks for the 3 digits yet again and then send me to that parental controls screen again.

20. Go back to settings and turn off parental controls because that didn't help.

21. Hit up Google again and find a person who suggests that switching browsers might help. I'm running the most common browser with no extensions that I use for these streaming sites because they can be such a pain in the ass, but sure.

22. Fire up Firefox with uMatrix and Adblock+ and have to do the login stuff yet again, but this time the show actually plays.

So to watch an hour of TV I had to spend over 30 minutes faffing about with the stupid website. It made me pine for the days of piracy when this was all so easy. I also downplayed how many times I had to do the reload dance to even get the play button to appear, going back to the start only worked about 1 time out of 3.

This isn't the only time I've struggled with streaming sites. Acorn for example simply refused to stream to my home. My wife is really into British mystery series and was pretty excited about it, but we had to drop it because their website simply refused to deliver the video and their tech support was completely unhelpful.

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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Customers would buy contaminated food if it was cheaper, too. There's value in having a floor on quality and design for products to avoid races to the bottom?

Not just would, DID! And they got so fed up with eating food that make them sick that we passed the Food and Drug Act! You can vote with both your wallet and _you actual vote_.

The entire snake oil industry was thriving and customers loved buying stuff that did nothing at all.

It took a hundred people, including young children, dying in sheer agony from a 100% preventable poisoning by a "medicine company" who's business was essentially dissolving off the shelf medicine powders in liquid and selling the result to really regulate chemicals meant for human ingestion. It took a president with a sympathetic ear and immense popular support for government in general to be a force for reigning in powerful corporations.

That company not only did not test that concoction on any living thing before bottling it up and selling to thousands of unwitting people, but the chemist in charge didn't even check the literature to see that the diethylene glycol he used was already thought to be lethal and had known kidney toxicity.

The company DID test its flavor and color and fragrance.

Why would they test anything else before selling it? You could be a hugely profitable company selling products that did nothing to the people who took it. Testing your products was a waste of effort and would not get you more business!

Your average consumer CANNOT judge accurately whether a medicine works. Your average doctor fails at the task, which is why we have to do blind studies in the first place.

What was true of consumers in the early 1900s is just as true today, and applies to all sorts of things that aren't medicine. Consumers will never be experts. Consumers will never be as equipped to evaluate something as the capital rich industry that produces it. There are inherent information asymmetries that make even idealized market theory fail.

Re: Netflix kills casting from its mobile app to most modern TVs

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Any vision of the future that doesn’t include realistic incentives of human beings won’t happen. Offering such a flexible smart home requires a huge amount of coordination work, customer support, and just taking the blame sometimes for the inevitable bugs. Yeah competent companies are willing to take on all that, if you pay them a lot, which is why high end smart homes are flourishing.

> competent companies are willing to take on all that, if you pay them a lot, which is why high end smart homes are flourishing. Citations needed, I can provide a lot of examples of high end equipment providing a worse experience.

Famously Bill Gates had a practically fully envisioned smart home by the early 2000s. With pretty much every wizmo and integration.

Even superyachts nowadays are starting to see that from what I’ve heard.

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