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Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by Arathorn »

jedahan wrote: post #147
Arathorn wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is wrong - the threads support in labs lets you create threads and navigate into them as you expect. what you are describing is the old threads workaround which predates the proper solution in labs which should exit labs asap.

I am describing what I see on Element X on iOS today. If someone replies to threads, it is not hidden and navigable on this client. Even after switching the labs feature on, the app was showing the thread interspersed with the rest of the conversation. Uninstalling the app, reinstalling, and making sure the labs option is turned on before navigating to a room with threads, is behaving how I expect. So maybe, its a bu…

ah right - that sounds very plausible; sorry for the confusion. have filed it as a likely bug at https://github.com/element-hq/element-x-ios/issues/4810 - thanks for the report :)

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by broken-kebab »

AJ007 wrote: post #53
nicoco wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. In practice, in federated networks bad actors end up being blacklisted. It does not provide any "formal" guarantee, but… it tends to work fine enough. For this specific "deletion request" feature, of course it should always be seen as a convenience thing, and absolutely not about security . As with many engineering things, it's tradeoffs all the way down. For instant messaging, a federated approach, using open…

I don't know what's wrong with XMPP other than the network effect collapsed when the GMail chat thing was killed, while the mobile client options were poor for a very long time. Matrix has the appearance of being a drop in replacement for Slack or Discord, but the design decisions seem so compromised that the only explanation is they did manage to establish a (somewhat weak) network effect? It certainly is not a good…

In what way do you think it's not compliant with GDPR?

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by stevenicr »

I've installed fresh matrix about 8 times or so, got it to work 3 of those times. I started looking for how to do a fresh install earlier this year (matrix/synapse element) and I have no idea which docs to use,

It was bad enough before that I had to detour to random places to find workarounds for things like how nginx does it's thing differently than the matrix docs I was reading at the time.. but now with the newer element that makes it easy to not find a self hosting way - to main docs being listed as archived or old -

I'd enjoy installing it fresh with someone from matrix watching the process just to see what a slog it is - and then watch someone try to get some addins running like admin and moderation.

wordpress is a one click install via softalicious and similar on most cpanel 10$ and up hosts.. you can one click add a decent free chat plugin if you are on a VPS.

If matrix was that simple to setup, lots of people would be using it.

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by Arathorn »

stevenicr wrote: post #153

I've installed fresh matrix about 8 times or so, got it to work 3 of those times. I started looking for how to do a fresh install earlier this year (matrix/synapse element) and I have no idea which docs to use, It was bad enough before that I had to detour to random places to find workarounds for things like how nginx does it's thing differently than the matrix docs I was reading at the time.. but now with the newer…

https://github.com/element-hq/ess-helm?tab=readme-ov-file#el... is meant to make it pretty easy. I sped-run an install from scratch in about 90 seconds during the Element keynote for the Matrix conference this year: https://youtu.be/TZgcdgv2NXk?list=PLl5dnxRMP1hUgnYEbpEsEEhIq...

Clearly we need to do a better job of pointing folks there.

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by yaky »

Teever wrote: post #106
0x1ch wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever is going on in Matrix land isn't stable enough for most people to switch. I gave up after they broke their calling system after changing something to this livekit system. It doesn't work, my existing TURN server became useless, and Matrix was left as a very slow chat application. I'm over it.

I gave up after I upgraded my server from a SQLite backend to a PostgreSQL one with their conversion script which introduced errors into my DB. Maybe one day I'll dig into it and see if I can fix the DB by extracting whatever data in it that's causing the errors, but like, is it really worth it at this point? What does running a matrix server get me in 2025?

Author of the article here. Similar happened to me, I had a lot of broken and empty rooms that appeared in some clients but not others, and I could not leave. This is what prompted me to write the room cleaner / admin panel.

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by ferroman »

Arathorn wrote: post #67

There's a bunch of outdated info in here, unfortunately: > Does not have an admin panel The admin panel is at https://github.com/element-hq/element-admin (but it's relatively new, so many folks haven't noticed it exists) > No image captions > > This is silly, but while (official?) bridges support image captions, official Element app does not. Element Web & X support captions. (Element Web doesn't currently support au…

well, that whole post convinced me to not even try any of this lol. gl with community tho.

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by yaky »

mcluck wrote: post #7

I've tried off and on to actually use Matrix. I was a bit of a loud supporter in the early days. Unfortunately, it looks like it still hasn't grown past the fundamental issues I was having then. It might be time to try something else

What issues did you have / still have?

When I started using Matrix, Riot.im did not get notifications in time, or was a battery hog. And Synapse took up a lot of memory, with occasional slowdowns. But then, circa 2022, Synapse improved and Element seems to have worked well and was consistent and reliable on all platforms.

Re: Self-hosting a Matrix server for 5 years

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Post by mcluck »

yaky wrote: post #158
mcluck wrote: post #7

I've tried off and on to actually use Matrix. I was a bit of a loud supporter in the early days. Unfortunately, it looks like it still hasn't grown past the fundamental issues I was having then. It might be time to try something else

What issues did you have / still have? When I started using Matrix, Riot.im did not get notifications in time, or was a battery hog. And Synapse took up a lot of memory, with occasional slowdowns. But then, circa 2022, Synapse improved and Element seems to have worked well and was consistent and reliable on all platforms.

That's exactly the sorts of issues I was having. That and it somehow kept losing my encryption information so I'd lose access to all of my messages or something similarly ridiculous
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