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Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Wasn't it the other way round? Subaru was the only manufacturer that wasn't affected, I thought.

I'm referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803279

I completely forgot about that.

I was thinking of the exploit back from 2023 that effected Acura, Genesis, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Infiniti, Nissan, and Porsche. I remember it being discussed on HN at the time but I can't find the relevant thread. Here is an article covering it: https://www.securityweek.com/16-car-makers-and-their-vehicle..., at the time.

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> They went the "mild hybrid" route, with such silly things as 21 miles of electric range "Mild hybrid" typically refers to a vehicle with a passively-charged battery pack, not a PHEV that has any material amount of electric-only range.

What does that mean, "passively charged battery pack"? Did we invent batteries that slowly regain charge over time and I somehow missed it?

Passively charged in the sense that the driver cannot actively force it to be charged, either while driving or by plugging it in (it cannot be plugged in).

Vehicles with a stated electric-only range are typically PHEVs, which can be plugged in. Some non plug-in hybrids can be driven in electric-only mode for very short distances, at low speeds only.

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Even if it was from an app, why can't I use wifi/bluetooth? Even if it depends on a relay server, why can't I load my own sim and run my own relay?

This seems like a very HN-specific use case. It's not surprising that automakers don't have APIs that let customers host servers that they use to remotely start their vehicles. Security is obviously a huge issue, and almost no one cares about remote starting that much, and has the know-how to implement relay servers and such. I'm not happy with how consumer choice is boxed in by automakers, but for sensitive systems…

What do you mean HN-specific? I don't understand how cars got to require permanent cellular connections in the first place while Bluetooth would've been enough

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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This seems like a very HN-specific use case. It's not surprising that automakers don't have APIs that let customers host servers that they use to remotely start their vehicles. Security is obviously a huge issue, and almost no one cares about remote starting that much, and has the know-how to implement relay servers and such. I'm not happy with how consumer choice is boxed in by automakers, but for sensitive systems…

What do you mean HN-specific? I don't understand how cars got to require permanent cellular connections in the first place while Bluetooth would've been enough

I was referring to the fact that a very small sliver of the population would be interested in running their own relay server, or even figuring out what that means. They just want to press a button and have the car turn on.

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Does it clear your driveway of snow? Otherwise I'm not sure why leaving a running vehicle unattended is useful. If the car is too cold when you get in, put a coat on. Too much ice on the windows? Scrape it off.

It warms the engine (and thus the interior) while I clear the driveway of snow, and it does this even if the doors are frozen shut because of a layer of ice. By the time I get back to addressing the car itself, the snow and ice is easier to brush or scrape off and the doors might actually open without ripping the handle off (which is something that I've directly experienced twice so far in my days). This all conspire…

If you have a driveway and no garage, my sympathies. If you have a garage, and your winters are as severe as you say, why not park in the garage? It's better for your car and tires and you won't spend any time or fuel scraping and warming.

It's not the feature I dislike. I find the practice of idling a car to warm it wasteful and polluting.

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It warms the engine (and thus the interior) while I clear the driveway of snow, and it does this even if the doors are frozen shut because of a layer of ice. By the time I get back to addressing the car itself, the snow and ice is easier to brush or scrape off and the doors might actually open without ripping the handle off (which is something that I've directly experienced twice so far in my days). This all conspire…

If you have a driveway and no garage, my sympathies. If you have a garage, and your winters are as severe as you say, why not park in the garage? It's better for your car and tires and you won't spend any time or fuel scraping and warming. It's not the feature I dislike. I find the practice of idling a car to warm it wasteful and polluting.

Sure.

Even better to move to a place where there isn't regularly any winter weather. Perhaps something below the 35th north parallel, and as close to sea level as can be mustered, would be good.

Let's all do this. It will be a Great New Beginning for so many people.

And thereafter, we'll burn our money polluting the world by running the aircon while we drive instead of burning it to help pre-emptively warm our cars on wintry days.

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post #157

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If you have a driveway and no garage, my sympathies. If you have a garage, and your winters are as severe as you say, why not park in the garage? It's better for your car and tires and you won't spend any time or fuel scraping and warming. It's not the feature I dislike. I find the practice of idling a car to warm it wasteful and polluting.

Sure. Even better to move to a place where there isn't regularly any winter weather. Perhaps something below the 35th north parallel, and as close to sea level as can be mustered, would be good. Let's all do this. It will be a Great New Beginning for so many people. And thereafter, we'll burn our money polluting the world by running the aircon while we drive instead of burning it to help pre-emptively warm our cars o…

Air-conditioning uses less energy than heating. And places where you need air-conditioning also have abundant solar power.

If you park your car in your garage you'll burn less fuel and own less stuff (because you can't store it in your garage). I'm telling you an easy way to save time, money, and your own energy (scraping ice) and you're mocking me. That's nice.

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post #157

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Sure. Even better to move to a place where there isn't regularly any winter weather. Perhaps something below the 35th north parallel, and as close to sea level as can be mustered, would be good. Let's all do this. It will be a Great New Beginning for so many people. And thereafter, we'll burn our money polluting the world by running the aircon while we drive instead of burning it to help pre-emptively warm our cars o…

Air-conditioning uses less energy than heating. And places where you need air-conditioning also have abundant solar power. If you park your car in your garage you'll burn less fuel and own less stuff (because you can't store it in your garage). I'm telling you an easy way to save time, money, and your own energy (scraping ice) and you're mocking me. That's nice.

Heat is free when we're out driving around. Internal combustion engines generate more heat than they know what to do with. I do like your idea of putting solar panels on a car to run the aircon, though: That sounds neat!

(I adore and embrace every opportunity for a stranger on the Internet to tell me how I should live.)

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post #159

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Air-conditioning uses less energy than heating. And places where you need air-conditioning also have abundant solar power. If you park your car in your garage you'll burn less fuel and own less stuff (because you can't store it in your garage). I'm telling you an easy way to save time, money, and your own energy (scraping ice) and you're mocking me. That's nice.

Heat is free when we're out driving around. Internal combustion engines generate more heat than they know what to do with. I do like your idea of putting solar panels on a car to run the aircon, though: That sounds neat! (I adore and embrace every opportunity for a stranger on the Internet to tell me how I should live.)

> I do like your idea of putting solar panels on a car to run the aircon

I thought you were talking about air conditioning in buildings. In warm climates, in a car, cooling is usually free: roll down your window and catch something called a "breeze". Works great unless you're on the freeway. But if everyone moved to a warm climate, as you, suggested we'd be living way more dense so you'd drive way less anyway. checkmate

There are also these things called "electric vehicles" that you can charge with solar power without requiring a panel on the vehicle.

> I adore and embrace every opportunity for a stranger on the Internet to tell me how I should live.

You're welcome! Normally I don't care what people do. But this idling cars affects everyone's air quality.

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