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PENPOT_FLAGS=disable-email-verification
Which file needs that?
That sounds like an environment variable to set when you start it.
Penpot: The Open-Source Figma
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> This is why it's important to describe explicitly That is a fair point. I will take it on board when giving people screenshots and videos of bugs in future. > I did not see the change in button width There's actually a lot more visual changes than that just the button, but I will leave that to the reader as an exercise in spot-the-difference ;)
> There's actually a lot more visual changes than that just the button, but I will leave that to the reader as an exercise in spot-the-difference ;) This is fair. But issues like this will never get my attention in general because I don’t have time to do this exercise - I would much rather have it all spelled out. Even if there are a bunch of related issues they won’t get fixed in a single PR, it likely will be multi…
I didn’t ask the maintainer to “figure it out”. I posted a thread in the forum with multiple videos to start a discussion.
People here have stated I should have filed on GitHub, and because I don’t want to link my GitHub to this account I suggested someone else do it.
That was 6 hours ago, and people are still commenting about my lack of a suitable report rather than actually reporting it correctly themselves - as is evident by the lack of a new issue on the github.
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> A problem like that should be extremely jarring Agreed - I don't see how its not glaringly obvious to anyone who uses the app: https://imgur.com/a/hZ1ja9o
Unrelated but imgur is basically malware at this point. I had to click through so many layers of nagging popups (including a “don’t support us” button, then a severely low-contrast “view in safari” button on a dialog explicitly designed to get me to accidentally click the app link), then when I finally got to your picture, any sort of interaction with the page whatsoever, including pinch-zooming to see the image, jus…
I'm glad that at times like these, I switched to Brave browser on all of my platforms (desktop and mobile). I can't recommend it enough.
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I've loaded an example document and do not see what you mean when navigating between pages. A problem like that should be extremely jarring and it is very hard to believe it would be ignored.
> A problem like that should be extremely jarring Agreed - I don't see how its not glaringly obvious to anyone who uses the app: https://imgur.com/a/hZ1ja9o
Wow you're right. I've tried again with the same wireframing kit and it happened to me too! That's unbelievable.
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You mean which Figma replaced in the market, because they were not limited to a native app? This is imo a cautionary tale that being a native app primarily is a bad idea in this year.
From the user perspective Figma is great, and I might say it’s even better. However, all that came from throwing more money into the problem, I believe. Figma just won because they invested unlimited money into this, while Sketch might be self-funding, if I’m correct here. To me this is rather ‘money is a very nice asset to have’ kind of thing.
Very different strategies. Sketch has been self-funding and sustainable from day 1. They have had 20m funding recently, but a fraction of Figma's 749m.
Figma lost over 1bn in Q3 on revenues of 274m. Share price is down 70% from IPO 3 months ago.
It's also clear from Figma's latest product releases - a grab bag of unfinished AI tools and a laughably shoddy website builder - that their primary audience is investors and not end users. I don't think the market of product designers is large enough to support their valuation and have any hope of making a decent return unless they diversify rapidly into other areas and try to become the next Adobe. Meanwhile Canva and more AI native tools are busy biting at their heels.
Speaking as a daily user, I hope they stay around long-term and don't enshittify themselves too much. But I'm not optimistic.
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For now. Mattermost too used to be cheaper than Slack, and Gitlab too used to be cheaper than GitHub. I know the story, "look we did X, the open-source Y" and two years in you now have two versions, the free and the "enterprise" one with exclusive features.
What would be a better way to fund large-scale open source projects in your opinion? Please don’t say donations because that doesn’t work for something as complex as the projects you mentioned Edit: ok there are some where it works like Blender - no idea how they do it though…
Blender did it by facing the industry going cutting edge for a decade or more. They somehow found enough donation to keep the thing as indie would support it just enough. Today blender is arguably better than industry standards, they just have to face the marketing wave but like Wikipedia probably got plenty of support.
These are the rare examples of Linux going through the torrent, typically emerges as proud victorious, with reasonably low profile
Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma
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> There's actually a lot more visual changes than that just the button, but I will leave that to the reader as an exercise in spot-the-difference ;) This is fair. But issues like this will never get my attention in general because I don’t have time to do this exercise - I would much rather have it all spelled out. Even if there are a bunch of related issues they won’t get fixed in a single PR, it likely will be multi…
I didn’t ask the maintainer to “figure it out”. I posted a thread in the forum with multiple videos to start a discussion. People here have stated I should have filed on GitHub, and because I don’t want to link my GitHub to this account I suggested someone else do it. That was 6 hours ago, and people are still commenting about my lack of a suitable report rather than actually reporting it correctly themselves - as is…
I’m sorry for jumping at you like that.
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#159Why don’t they provide a desktop version, similar to software such as GIMP, Inkscape, and others? Do they believe they cannot achieve the desired revenue through crowdfunding? Many projects—most notably Blender—have been highly successful using this approach. It seems unreasonable that an average designer should be required to learn server administration
The closest analogy would be Sketch for macOS, which Figma simply copied at first, and then mostly replaced. I would love to see open source Sketch for open source systems.
Sketch copied Fireworks, which Adobe abandoned after buying out Macromedia. I knew XD would fail, which is funny because Adobe had the best UI tool but didn’t know what to do with it.
They still are really clueless, Animate has had hardly any updates in 13yrs, yet other animation tools offer a lot of innovative features.
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I raised the issue in the forums at the time, with video captures demonstrating the issue(s).
I think it would help to open an issue on github making explicit the following three points explicit in the report: - steps to reproduce from scratch; - what you expected to happen; - what you actually observed (include the screenshot or video capture in addition to a textual description). Otherwise, you might risk your report being ignored due to a silent misunderstanding about the mismatch between your expectations…
I hate how every time someone even talks about an issue with an open source project, some smart alec replies "well did you raise an issue?" - or worse - "did you send a PR to fix it?".
We are all very aware how bug reporting works. And user criticism of bugs isn't somehow invalidated just because the users didn't go to the sometimes very large effort to report bugs.
I wouldn't have reported this bug either. If the example documents are getting corrupted just by navigating them that indicates that it's just a really buggy project (corroborated by other comments here) that I'm not even going to use, so why would I spend my time working on it?