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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by poly2it »

danaris wrote: post #148
poly2it wrote: post #136

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Can you also provide a citation?

Sure, here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/... > People who believe they have a porn addiction typically think their sexual behaviors are abnormal. > In reality, however, their sexual behaviors tend to be similar to others'. > Porn addiction typically involves a moral incongruence between sexual attitudes and sexual behaviors. > By medicalizing problematic porn use, people can avoid takin…

Thank you, it's refreshing to see a medical take on an unquestioned thesis I see oft repeated even by intellectuals.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by [deleted] »

Hizonner wrote: post #144
earthnail wrote: post #114

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But where’s the problem? This is opt in. KDE already has a kiosk mode for kids. Add a content filter aka adblocker for porn, done. I don’t understand the outrage here. Many parents who are technically illiterate would like to be able to leave their 10yo alone with a computer without having to worry. Rn the only option for that is nintendo/playstation/xbox. Smartphones aren’t.

Do you maintain any software? I have a few features I need you to add. No, you don't get any choice. Where's the problem?

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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

Hizonner wrote: post #146
Asooka wrote: post #93

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You add draconian client-side enforcement via parent controls. You can even mandate that stores ask for whom the device will be and provision it accordingly with the flag being automatically removed in the future when the person is of age.

This cannot, of course, be achieved with open, hackable software on the client device. So you have to outlaw that. Sorry, no.

I don't even understand what you're getting at; as if RBAC is an alien concept? Do you think everyone should have root access to any machine they touch?

It's the parent's computer and they have a right to put a password on the BIOS and a child lock on the system that forces these types of headers, with no available bypass for the child account. Or, if they do please, have the router filter any website outside of a whitelist without a password.

We do worse for OpSec all the time?

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by earthnail »

raffael_de wrote: post #134
earthnail wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But where’s the problem? This is opt in. KDE already has a kiosk mode for kids. Add a content filter aka adblocker for porn, done. I don’t understand the outrage here. Many parents who are technically illiterate would like to be able to leave their 10yo alone with a computer without having to worry. Rn the only option for that is nintendo/playstation/xbox. Smartphones aren’t.

to be fair I didn't read the details of that law. it's just that its Marschrichtung is pretty clear. total surveillance for flimsy reasons because porn etc. eventually it will be mandatory for everybody. that's what it is about.

But it’s on device, opt in. This is the way to go. No central government control.

I really don’t want the British version with a central internet authority instead.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by ryandrake »

tossandthrow wrote: post #44
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

While the failing economies definitely is orders of magnitudes more important, the problem of hyper stimulants is definitely worth giving some attention. The effects of porn, SoMe, ultra processed foods, etc. Likely also affect the real economies in ways wondo not yet fully grasp.

I love how the rationale for porn bans changes with the times: First it was bad because of religion/morality. Then the world changed a bit, people aren't as religious, so it became bad because the performers are trafficked and exploited. Then the world changed a bit, OnlyFans turned the tables, actually empowering and enriching performers. Now, porn is bad because of... "hyper stimulants"?? I wonder what the next reason is going to be.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by iamnothere »

earthnail wrote: post #116
txrx0000 wrote: post #110

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Yeah, this is the right direction for moderation features in general assuming it's implemented offline on-device and works without contacting a remote server. It eliminates excuses to implement age verification online. And it's correct in principle: each parent should be able to decide what their child sees, but not what anyone else's child sees. Parenting a child is the responsibility of that child's parents, but it…

We have mandates for all kinds of things, like movie ratings etc. I think it’s appropriate here. It just makes it easy. I don’t understand the pushback from tech companies either; all OSes already have a kiosk mode (incl the major Linux DEs). Should be very low effort to implement.

Movie ratings are not mandatory, at least not in free countries. MPAA ratings like “R” and “PG” are a voluntary classification system and films are free to opt out, though many theater chains may be less likely to show your film. But small theaters and streaming platforms don’t usually care.

Authoritarian states like China and the UK do require classification/certification of films before release. Imagine requiring a painter to have their paintings reviewed by the state before exhibition!

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by BobaFloutist »

santiagobasulto wrote: post #56

Unrelated, but shows the "slow collapse" of Europe (where I live in). We all know what a big issue Climate Change (and specially warming in Europe) is. So most European politicians go on and on about environment and all that. Well, yesterday, I went to play football at night and finished at around 10PM. I was planning on taking the metro, as any normal European citizen. Much was my surprise when I compared the time a…

Wow, a Car Sharing app was more expensive in a single case than a metro ticket.

Truly all European politicians are just scammers, and Europe is in a "slow collapse"

How sad.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by tossandthrow »

ryandrake wrote: post #155
tossandthrow wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the failing economies definitely is orders of magnitudes more important, the problem of hyper stimulants is definitely worth giving some attention. The effects of porn, SoMe, ultra processed foods, etc. Likely also affect the real economies in ways wondo not yet fully grasp.

I love how the rationale for porn bans changes with the times: First it was bad because of religion/morality. Then the world changed a bit, people aren't as religious, so it became bad because the performers are trafficked and exploited. Then the world changed a bit, OnlyFans turned the tables, actually empowering and enriching performers. Now, porn is bad because of... "hyper stimulants"?? I wonder what the next rea…

It is reframing of the same underlying reason to ban porn wrt. Hyper stimulants and religion - said in layman terms, people don't fuck when they can wank to porn. It is mostly a sociatal pressure to keep men motivated regardless of framed as hyper stimulants or religious reasons (which you can buy into or not).

The trafficking is another category, though, and I think still very active.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by xphos »

adrian_b wrote: post #45
pndy wrote: post #17

Might be somehow related -ish ; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of cont…

Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpo…

I think man and woman perfer different pornography, if you ever read the fiction of the month book its basically some kind of erotica but in a read format the tension is different. The primary consumer is usually woman. There is nothing wrong with that either.

I think the issue with laws like these is that there is simply no way to actually enforce that everyone uses the "legal" OS for all activities. I think we probably infantalize children way to much these day and pretend 17 year olds need 0 interaction with sex because sex bad. But its not an honest look at life and is vulcanization of puritanism. I think being unable to talk about sex in mature way has left children totally unprepared to handle things like pornagraphy which exist.

And I do understand its parental togglable setting but I think its childish to think children are not going to find ways around such things. People are sexually interested when they hit puberty which is 10-12 in girls and 12-14 in boys (roughly). Acting like they are not is stupid and plans for failure much like your describing but in a 100% uncontrolled unknown way

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by general1465 »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #139
general1465 wrote: post #96

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> I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future. That's because lawmakers think it has no impact on them. In Czech Republic a transparency law has been passed many years ago. This law effectively said that cities needs to disclose suppliers…

Do they? You mention something that affects politicians negatively much more than affect civilians. Chat control will be negative for _all_ of us, mainly of innocents, while bad actors will switch to other means of communication that evades the law.

Technically you can just setup a political party and then offer membership in the party for a yearly fee like 100EUR - every member will automatically become a politician and thus won't be allowed to be tracked because that's literal exception in the Chat Control. If government will want to track them, it will need to expand tracking to themselves too, which they definitely don't want to do.

So now government is not allowed to track you and you can also make quite a lot of money out of this stupid law.

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