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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by WD-42 »

laserlight wrote: post #143
bloppe wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"[Swift] was initially a proprietary language, but version 2.2 was made open-source software under the Apache License 2.0 on December 3, 2015" Darwin is also a bad example: "On July 25, 2006, the OpenDarwin team announced that the project was shutting down, as they felt OpenDarwin had "become a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects", and that the efforts to create a standalone Darwin operating system ha…

What does OpenDarwin or PureDarwin, independent projects, have to do with the fact that Darwin, Apple’s OS kernel, is open source?

Because they show that Darwin may be technically open source, but Apple are horrible stewards of it. It's impossible to actually build a usable operating system from it, which is probably their intent.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by gf000 »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #84
indentit wrote: post #70

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Specifications are there for a reason... Why use Bluetooth at all if they don't actually use it properly?

You can still connect AirPods to an android device using Bluetooth, you just don’t get the seamless connection or support for Spatial Audio that use the extended protocols

You can't even change noise cancel's mode.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by gf000 »

Aurornis wrote: post #94
WD-42 wrote: post #20

Cool project, not cool that it needs to exist. Apple isn’t only content to leech off OSS software, they have to force the existence of more of it to workaround what they closed off.

To be clear, you can use AirPods with an Android device for audio. It’s the extra convenience features integrated into iOS and macOS to change certain settings that have been reverse engineered here. And you can’t actually even use them without rooting your phone and applying a patch to Android’s Bluetooth stack.

A device sold not in small part due to its noise cancelling ability, yet having no way to turn it on/off when connected to Android is not an extra convenience feature.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by gf000 »

suprjami wrote: post #60
WD-42 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the license legally compels them to, and sometimes not even then.

Unsurprisingly, you cannot assign a single intent to 166k+ people. Just like Microsoft there are parts of the company who are hostile to open source, and there parts of the company whose success is attributable to open source.

You can absolutely assign intent to a company, it's not an arbitrary grouping of 166k people.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by [deleted] »

isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by zozbot234 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

This should indeed be reported as illegal product tying to regulators (U.S. FTC/EU Competition commission/others?) so that Apple is legally deterred from breaking this interoperability effort with future AirPods updates.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by philjohn »

gf000 wrote: post #153
Aurornis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, you can use AirPods with an Android device for audio. It’s the extra convenience features integrated into iOS and macOS to change certain settings that have been reverse engineered here. And you can’t actually even use them without rooting your phone and applying a patch to Android’s Bluetooth stack.

A device sold not in small part due to its noise cancelling ability, yet having no way to turn it on/off when connected to Android is not an extra convenience feature.

You can turn it on and off with long presses on the airpod stalk itself.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by mgh95 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #156
isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

This should indeed be reported as illegal product tying to regulators (U.S. FTC/EU Competition commission/others?) so that Apple is legally deterred from breaking this interoperability effort with future AirPods updates.

Worse, now device manufacturers can now make their devices identify as "apple" out of the box and advertise it as "compatibility with Apple AirPods features X, Y, X" and be legally permissible.

It's basically the consequence Google v. Oracle and the cases leading to it.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by mytailorisrich »

zozbot234 wrote: post #156
isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

This should indeed be reported as illegal product tying to regulators (U.S. FTC/EU Competition commission/others?) so that Apple is legally deterred from breaking this interoperability effort with future AirPods updates.

What makes this illegal product tying under specific laws?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by kakacik »

exitb wrote: post #113
isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

AirPods can connect to any device and perform on par with other Bluetooth headphones. This is about availability of special features which require a dedicated driver non-Apple devices are not expected to have.

This is patently incorrect. Wife switched from iphone 13 mini to samsung s24, and airpods pro 2nd gen immediately started behaving extremely annoyingly to the point of becoming completely useless for any serious use and she just gave them away to her sister which still is on apple, although she loved them before.

Literally all other earpieces work flawlessly with that phone including dirt cheap chinese stuff, apart from apple.

Now somebody could come and claim multi trillion company couldnt just nail that pesky bluetooth protocol well, but everybody else can do it better than them, including 15 bucks products. Its all by design. They clearly dont need hardware revenue to have products who can compete on open market, they need their closed ecosystem revenue, hence these dirty practices. There is hopefully a billion or ten lawsuit in the making by courts with balls, ie EU.

All the downvotes in the world won't change above.

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