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Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by ericd »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #78
zekrioca wrote: post #63

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Long distant transmission lines would help with that. Also, I want to point out we need to decarbonize, so I don’t think gas considers all externalities that it causes, like air pollution.

The problem is that people don't really want to pay for it. When you compare the rates at which people recognize the need to decarbonize, to the rates at which people are willing to pay 20-50% more for green energy, an obvious and expected trend arises.... people overwhelming don't want to put their money where there mouth is. Or they want someone elses money to go where there mouth is. It needs to be understood that…

If you make the carbon tax revenue neutral, and dividend out the whole take per capita, those below median carbon emissions should end up ahead, and it does end up resting on the wealthy, since carbon emissions generally scale with spending.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by ericd »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #144
mr_toad wrote: post #97

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We’re going to look back and realise that the destruction wrought by global warming was far worse in every way than at Chernobyl.

I don’t know if you quite realize how close to a major climate change event Chernobyl almost became.

You might want to elaborate?

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by fragmede »

_ea1k wrote: post #105
xp84 wrote: post #45

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California has energy costs more than double most other states so it’s probably not the best argument for “it’s so easy to go mostly renewable.” A lot of things are feasible if you’re willing to [force everyone in the state to] spend 2x. Whatever California is trying to do in the past 20 years has been extraordinarily regressive.

Texas and Florida both have a lot of solar as well, with TX likely passing CA on battery storage over the next few years. Those states also have much cheaper energy than CA. California's energy problems aren't due to the source of their energy.

PG&E being a for profit company, and also that whole Enron thing doesn’t help.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by fragmede »

anonymars wrote: post #132
mapontosevenths wrote: post #77

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I suspect its less about the need to feel special than you imagine. My take is that these folks can't accept that nobody is actually driving. It terrifies them to realize that we are all aboard a rudderless ship, so they imagine these secret cabals to be able to sleep at night. Take COVID. There is insufficient proof that it was the result of lab work, but many many people prefer that warm fuzzy thought over acknowle…

Kids in hot cars, drug addicts, etc. https://blog.codinghorror.com/they-have-to-be-monsters/

That was a tough read. I didn’t even try the video.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by fragmede »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #144
mr_toad wrote: post #97

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We’re going to look back and realise that the destruction wrought by global warming was far worse in every way than at Chernobyl.

I don’t know if you quite realize how close to a major climate change event Chernobyl almost became.

That's not supported by physics. Even at the worst - if the other reactor had somehow also melted down, that still wouldn't have caused a major climate change event. It would have been absolutely terrible, regionally, but not globally. Nuclear reactors aren't atomic bombs.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by tarsinge »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #119
0ckpuppet wrote: post #112

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Wasn't this theory proven by documents that were released and reported on?

No, it’s very squarely in the conspiracy theory category.

I’m sorry but no, I consider myself quite rational and I simply didn’t stay up to date on the subject, to me it was still a possible theory with others. When a theory was seriously considered not too long ago you can’t suddenly label it conspiracy.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by b0rbb »

I worked at the main Kodak tower in Rochester for a few years in the early 2000s. Mainly as a paid IT intern of sorts to earn some additional money in college.

I often had to go to the basement there to store equipment, get equipment, etc.

The stuff I'd see down there was WILD. TONS of old movie/film paraphernalia in the form of posters, plaques with celluloid celebrating various movie releases, and tons of unmarked old film canisters. There was also a TON of old tech down there.

I used to joke that I felt like I was in that Hanger 51 warehouse from the end of Indiana Jones and The Ark of the Covenant.

It's a shame things went down as they did for Kodak. I really enjoyed those years I worked there. They used to make killer tuna melt paninis in their cafeteria area near the top of the tower and in the summer months I'd keep my car parked at work and just walk across the street to see the Rochester Red Wings play (AAA minor league baseball team).

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by nickdothutton »

When I was at university a lifetime ago, the country had a number of university research reactors. Some of their work could be.. and was.. replaced by computer simulations, but not all. Today there are zero. My impression is that not only is the UK public ignorant and fearful of nuclear, but of "labs" in general. Their view is informed largely by newspaper headlines and Hollywood movies.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by themafia »

tsunamifury wrote: post #88
hammock wrote: post #59

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If we can’t have a good faith discussion then maybe it is a good idea to hide nuclear and animal labs. But with less oversight, that also invites abuse. You can probably imagine abuse on your own in an anima lab, but I would also point out after Obama banned gain of function research in 2014 U.S. scientists moved their lab to China where it continued without the same oversight, and bad things happened.

As a dyed in the wool leftist I more and more struggle with Obama legacy from common core to regulation to his utter selling out the American people to the cia. When he was well intentioned he seemed to be a total failure and when he was blatantly self interested he was monstrous. I don’t think the right is another option but woof… this is tough

He was a corporate democrat. His cabinet was effectively selected by Citigroup. He burned home owners immediately and continued senseless wars. The difference between him and Bush was minimal.

His "legacy" is completely a media creation.

We lost control of this country the day JFK was killed.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by amypetrik8 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #143
_aavaa_ wrote: post #142

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I am not sure what you are trying to say. It is a conspiracy theory at this point because it is believes, in spite of the existing evidence, the covid absolutely came leaked from a lab rather than starting being of zoonotic orign. It also asserts a coverup by both the Chinese and American government, as well as cover ups and complicity from the entire Chinese and American virology community. This, despite the possibi…

You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth here. The specific origins of the virus have not, to my knowledge, been confirmed. I am not asserting that it was a lab leak; I’m merely asserting that it is not unreasonable to consider it possible. Nowhere did I suggest that I believed it more likely to be the source than zoonotic spillover, nor did I assert anything about a coverup by any party. Frankly, this whole discuss…

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