I still believe in AI and I believe many of these companies are going to be staples of this new era. That said, I hope Oracle doesn't survive this transition. We need higher moral companies to usher in the AI era.
> We need higher moral
Like Google? Microsoft? Meta? Amazon? Those staples of morality?
Or like companies such as OpenAI that just stole industrial amounts of copyright to train their models?
It just seems so obvious that all of these companies are going to unwind and yet I don't know how to avoid being damaged by this in my retirement funds in the S&P 500. Hopefully all of this happens before Open AI can be flogged to the public in an IPO large enough to get into the S&P 500 -- in which OpenAI then goes to zero
A company can't be included in S&P 500 if it doesn't make money, no matter what its market capitalization is. See Tesla for precedent.
Plus I can run a reasonable LLM on my own hardware, so I don't even need to pay anyone else. And what I can run locally is only going to get better and better.
This is true, but this is also true for on-premise hosting vs cloud. And cloud has been booming for at least a decade before LLMs appeared. I suspect AI will follow a similar trajectory, i.e. companies don't move their AI deployments on-prem until they hit a certain scale.
This is very true, but I think the other point is that AI doesn't have much "moat". If a competitor can take a pre-trained Chinese LLM, fine tune it a bit, fiddle with the prompt, and ship a product which is not as good but way cheaper, then you've (or Oracle's) got a problem.
It just seems so obvious that all of these companies are going to unwind and yet I don't know how to avoid being damaged by this in my retirement funds in the S&P 500. Hopefully all of this happens before Open AI can be flogged to the public in an IPO large enough to get into the S&P 500 -- in which OpenAI then goes to zero
A company can't be included in S&P 500 if it doesn't make money, no matter what its market capitalization is. See Tesla for precedent.
Wow, I never knew this. Well, that is good news, but I would also worry that Sam will do something shady to fake a profit too.
are you suggesting bailouts for the AI data centers are the new too big to fail
Coreweave can default and be liquidated and the data centers will keep running just fine.
But imagine all the data, tech and data center companies simultaneously go into receivership. Farfetched, but indulge the fantasy.
At that moment what choice would the government have but to conduct a rescue that at least keeps the lights on, and probably more? What’s the alternative? Extensive data losses, business interruptions— if just a couple of those key companies spontaneously stopped operating, chaos.
It just seems so obvious that all of these companies are going to unwind and yet I don't know how to avoid being damaged by this in my retirement funds in the S&P 500. Hopefully all of this happens before Open AI can be flogged to the public in an IPO large enough to get into the S&P 500 -- in which OpenAI then goes to zero
if it's a corporate 401k you can move it to something very conservative and probably protect yourself from the worst of it. I've built up a decent college fund for my boys in a standard issue vanguard brokerage account and one of their SP500 index fund. I'm going to go mostly to cash on Jan1 and wait a year and see what happens. I need that money in 2 years (my oldest will be starting college then) so I don't have a lot of time to recover from a full on crash.
I said this earlier but: It's interesting to see the market try to do anything to rally. The problem is you guys are rallying on the thought that you've scared the Fed into cutting rates, but actually by rallying you short circuit it. You ensure they won't cut. And that's how the market's lillypad hopping thinking is actually just stupidity. You rallied, so now there are no rate cuts so the crash will be even more br…
Market is rallying cause there is too much money chasing too few assets. PE ratios will not drop significantly baring catastrophe and then financial contagion. After that happens the money printer is turned back on and then...
And there is too much money chasing too few assets because capital is over-concentrated (which, to be fair, was the point of money-printing; shoring up over-leveraged entities on the bad side of a given trade so that they wouldn't have to gasp close their positions and diffuse that wealth across their counter-parties.)
Market is rallying cause there is too much money chasing too few assets. PE ratios will not drop significantly baring catastrophe and then financial contagion. After that happens the money printer is turned back on and then...
I don't see a way out besides massive reconfiguration. We've been living in this world since 2008 and the train shows no signs of stopping, only speeding up.