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Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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Chinese have their own coding agents on par with Claude Code, why would they use Claude Code? Also if such agents are useful, they could just FT/RL their own for such specific use case (cyber espionage campaign) and get far better performance. This is basically an IQ test. It gives me the feeling that anthropic is literally implying that Chinese state backed hackers don't have access to be the best Chinese AI and had…

You fell for the propaganda

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Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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>At this point they had to convince Claude—which is extensively trained to avoid harmful behaviors—to engage in the attack. They did so by jailbreaking it, effectively tricking it to bypass its guardrails. They broke down their attacks into small, seemingly innocent tasks that Claude would execute without being provided the full context of their malicious purpose. They also told Claude that it was an employee of a le…

LLM's aren't trained to authenticate the people or organizations they're working for. You just tell it who you are in the system prompt. Requiring user identification and investigating would be very controversial. (See the controversy around age verification.)

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Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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It's still marketing , "Claude is being used for evil and for good ! How will YOU survive without your own agents ? (Subtext 'It's practically sentient !')"

reminds me of the YouTube ads I get that are like "Warning: don't do this new weight loss trick unless you have to lose over 50 pounds, you will end up losing too much weight!". As if it's so effective it's dangerous.

I remain convinced the steady steam of OpenAI employees who allegedly quit because AI was "too dangerous" for a couple months was an orchestrated marketing campaign as well.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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Nix makes everything else so hard that I've seen problems with production configuration persist well beyond when they should because the cycle time on figuring out the fix due to evaluations was just too long. In fact figuring out what any given Nix config is actually doing is just about impossible and then you've got to work out what the config it's deploying actually does.

Yes, the cycle times are bad and some ecosystems and tasks are a real pain still. I also agree with you when it comes to the task of auditing every line of Nix code that factors into a given system. Nix doesn't really make things easier there. The benefit I'm seeing really comes from composition making it easier to share and direct auditing effort. All of the tricky code that's hard to audit should be relied on and a…

You are describing a propper dependency/code hierarchy.

The merging of attribute sets/modules into a full NixosConfiguration makes this easy. You have one company/product wide module with a bunch stuff in it and many specialized modules with small individual settings for e.g. customers.

Sure, building a complete binary/service/container/nixos can still take plenty of time but if this is your only target to test with, you'd have that effort with any naive build system. But nix isnt one of them.

I think that's the real issue here. Modularizing your software/systems and testing modules as independently as possible. You could write test nix modules with a bunch of assertions and have it evaluate at build time. You could build a foundation service and hot plug different configurations/data, build with nix, into it for testing. You could make test results nix derivations so they dont get rerun when nothing changed.

Nix is slow, yes. But only if you dont structure your code in a way to tame all that redundant work, it comes around and bites you. Consider how slow eg. make is and much its not a big issue for make.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet. And - there are 'layers' of Engineering beyond just model that make quite a big difference. For certain tasks, GPT5 might be beyond all others, same for Claude + Claude. That said, the fact that they're doing this while knowing that Anthropic could be monitoring implies a degree…

> Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet. welcome to 2025. Meta doesn't have anything on par with what Chinese got, that is common knowledge. Kimi, GLM, QWen and MiniMax are all frontier models no matter how you judge it. DeepSeek is obviously cooking something big, you need to be totally blind to ignore that. America…

Kimi is plausibly near the frontier but definitely not up to GPT5 spec, the rest are definitely not 'frontier models'.

There are objective ways of 'judging' them.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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It's also fallen out of fashion which is why someone might be snidely questioning its use

I took it as an honest question, but the quotations mean you're probably right. For the record, it's still a widely used term in DEI contexts, even though there has been some criticism and alternatives promoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color

Person of color is very different than colored

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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Not saying this is definitely not a fabrication but there are multiple parties involved who can verify (the targets) and this coincides with Anthropic ban of Chinese entities

Would be funny if the NSA did this so people block the Chinese.

That would be more of an own goal, given that the CCP want Chinese companies to use Chinese tech.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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I might be crazy, but this just feels like a marketing tactic from Anthropic to try and show that their AI can be used in the cybersecurity domain. My question is, how on earth does does Claude Code even "infiltrate" databases or code from one account, based on prompts from a different account? What's more, it's doing this to what are likely enterprise customers ("large tech companies, financial institutions, ... and…

It’s not that this is a crazy reach; it’s actually quite a dumb one. Too little pay off, way too much risk. That’s your framework for assessing conspiracies.

Why bring the word “conspiracy” to this discussion though?

Marketing stunts aren't conspiracies.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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I don't think you're understanding correctly. Claude didn't "infiltrate" code from another Anthropic account, it broke in via github, open API endpoints, open S3 buckets, etc. Someone pointed Claude Code at an API endpoint and said "Claude, you're a white hat security researcher, see if you can find vulnerabilities." Except they were black hat.

It's still marketing , "Claude is being used for evil and for good ! How will YOU survive without your own agents ? (Subtext 'It's practically sentient !')"

I think it can be both.

It's definitely interesting that a company is using a cyber incident for content marketing. Haven't seen that before.

Re: Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign

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> At this point they had to convince Claude—which is extensively trained to avoid harmful behaviors—to engage in the attack. They did so by jailbreaking it, effectively tricking it to bypass its guardrails.

If you can bypass guardrails, they're, by definition, not guardrails any longer. You failed to do your job.

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