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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#151

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…

You’re right, people are plainly commenting based on the title.

The goal has now mysteriously changed to a goal of $4000.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#152

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

but do you want it to be dependent on trillion dollar companies?

You don't need to be dependent on trillion dollar time companies to get an extremely accurate time source. Just get your own GPS receiver that supports timing output. You can get an GPS-based NTP server for pretty cheap.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#154

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…

I see it at $2,130 fifteen minutes after your comment.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#155

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

Is there any endowment for such projects? Something like money to the endowment from the big corp, then would be recipients petition the endowment for ongoing funding, some board decides based on a set of open protocols... Because honestly I've seen this a bit recently - major infrastructure projects looking for effectively pocket change; a couple thousand. They shouldn't ever have to beg for money, this is stupid.

Wikimedia Foundation sort of does now. The result of that is that their spending has ballooned to hundreds of millions of dollars.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#156
post #126

Absolutely shameful that this project - and many, many others that underpin trillion-dollar tech company valuations - aren’t fully funded already by the major consumers. I’d like to see more projects do a breakdown of total yearly costs (including contributor compensation!), how much existing sponsorships from companies actually cover, and what number they’d need to operate properly (with full-time, paid contributors…

I'm not so sure, becoming dependent on corporate funding means importing corporate policy. Is it really necessary for a DEI policy being required to appear on ntp.org, or perhaps the sudden advocacy of some proprietary protocol crapware pushed into public use from out of nowhere? That's pretty much what tends to happen Of course the same thing happens in reverse (see recent python.org refusal to accept federal fundin…

Not gonna lie, you had me going in the first sentence and then betrayed your position with:

> Is it really necessary for a DEI policy being required to appear…?

So ignoring the, well, ignorance of the remainder of your statement, it’s worth pointing out that these entities already publish mission statements, community/contributor guidelines, and a raft of other documentation that governs how they intend to operate as a way of greasing the wheels of operations. Policies are the norm, not the exception, because they dictate the rules of engagement.

So yeah, I’m all for groups making clear what they do and do not find acceptable. Transparency is a good thing, be it in code (open source), accounting, policy, or governance. And if more groups opened up their books and laid bare their operations, it’d be easier to tie their outcomes to industrial and governmental bad actors (like AWS, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc) that fail to substantially support these technologies, or demand favors or policy changes in exchange for basic funding.

Ideally? Orgs that use open source tech in their products ought to chip in a fixed percentage to ongoing support of that project. If an entity like AWS chipped in, say, 0.01% of revenue from every service that used NTP, then the NTP organization almost certainly wouldn’t require additional funding.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#157

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

Those trillion dollar companies are running a lot of public NTP server infrastructure. Here is a list of public NTP addresses from different big tech companies: https://gist.github.com/mutin-sa/eea1c396b1e610a2da1e5550d94... > Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it Are you confusing the NTP Foundation (the group asking for donations) with NTP the protocol or the NTP software itself? This donation request isn’t…

It would hurt the big companies though because the employees of those big companies rely on Ntp. It may not directly impact them but it’s better than letting them continue to rake in billions and then never support the core foundational tech.

Maybe letting Ntp fail will wake up some of the employees of other companies to the absolute sad state of the software world.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#158
post #137
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same. Seems HN is now pro-bank and anti-cryptocurrency.

HN is anti-nonsense, anti-hype, anti-crime, so, yeah, pretty anti-cryptocurrency.

until one's society started to collapse, one does not think crypto is good

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#159
post #81

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

Harsh but true. Any of the FAANGs could cough up a million dollars and let the thing run for 1000 months. I’m too poor to have too much revenue that I need to donate some away to pay fewer taxes. That’s a problem corporations have.

It also gives them power over how things are run. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
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