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Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by sarchertech »

1718627440 wrote: post #146
sarchertech wrote: post #140

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>I have taken from the comments that it was only the case, that she rehashed ideas from other books, and I wanted to point out, that while this is a big deal for academic papers, it is not for books and basically expected. In addition to near verbatim quotes, she is also accused of copying stories beat for beat. That's much different than rehashing a few ideas from other works. It is not expected and it is very much…

So I won't defend what was done here, there doesn't seem much to argue. > copying stories beat for beat. That's much different than rehashing a few ideas from other works. It is not expected and it is very much considered plagiarism by fiction writers. Some operas are a greek play. There rehashes of the Faust, the Beggars Opera is a copy of a play from Shakespeare, there are modern versions of Pride and Prejustice, t…

First, the stories you mentioned are very famous. The audience watching Oh Brother Where Art Thou is aware it’s an adaptation of the Odyssey. Therefore it’s not someone attempting to pass off work as their own.

The stories this authors copied were either unpublished manuscripts she got access to in writers groups or very obscure works that it’s unlikely her readers had read.

Second, the examples you gave were extremely transformative. Just look at the differences between Westside Story and Romeo and Juliette. It’s a musical for goodness sake. It subverts expectations by letting Maria live through it.

The writings at issue are short stories, so there’s less room for transformation in the first place. And there was clearly not even a strong attempt at transformation. The author even kept some of the same character names.

There was no attempt to subvert expectations largely because the audience had expectations, since they weren’t aware of the originals.

>change settings

She didn’t even do that.

> for books nobody bats an eye

If a popular book were revealed to be a beat for beat remake of an obscure novel with the same setting, similar dialogue, some of the same character names, and few significant transformative elements, you can bet your life there would be a scandal.

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by quuxplusone »

getnormality wrote: post #129

According to LinkedIn, the author landed at a small crypto startup. Any guesses as to why this startup needs a compiler engineer?

Most crypto projects these days (and even Bitcoin, actually) are based on some kind of virtual machine. For example here's the first Google hit for "ethereum bytecode":

https://ethervm.io/

But writing smart contracts and whatnot directly in bytecode sucks; so, you make a compiler so you can write them in an (invented) higher-level language. For which you might as well hire a "compiler engineer" as any other kind. :)

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by 1718627440 »

sarchertech wrote: post #151
1718627440 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I won't defend what was done here, there doesn't seem much to argue. > copying stories beat for beat. That's much different than rehashing a few ideas from other works. It is not expected and it is very much considered plagiarism by fiction writers. Some operas are a greek play. There rehashes of the Faust, the Beggars Opera is a copy of a play from Shakespeare, there are modern versions of Pride and Prejustice, t…

First, the stories you mentioned are very famous. The audience watching Oh Brother Where Art Thou is aware it’s an adaptation of the Odyssey. Therefore it’s not someone attempting to pass off work as their own. The stories this authors copied were either unpublished manuscripts she got access to in writers groups or very obscure works that it’s unlikely her readers had read. Second, the examples you gave were extreme…

Like I wrote, I wanted to point a difference in attitude between academic and entertaining writing. I think I don't disagree with you in this specific case (now). You seem to have looked into the actual case, while I didn't.

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by occamsrazorwit »

defrost wrote: post #68
sarchertech wrote: post #63

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One of her publishers pulled her book from print, publicly accused her of plagiarism, and asked other publishers to denounce her for plagiarism. That’s pretty damning evidence. If a publisher was on the fence they might pull her books quietly, but they wouldn’t make such a public attack without very good evidence that they thought would hold up in court. There was no equivocation at all.

That's a pretty damning response , sure. The evidence , at least the evidence that I found cited as evidence, appears less damning. Perhaps there is more damning evidence . What I found was on the order of the degree of cross copying and similar themes, etc. found in many pools of young writers going back through literary history. Rona Wang, whom I've never previously heard of, clearly used similar passages from her…

> Perhaps there is more damning evidence.

Do you consider the announcement from her publisher that she admitted that she plagiarized passages as a damning response or damning evidence?

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by phendrenad2 »

1718627440 wrote: post #106
phendrenad2 wrote: post #18

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I'm screenshotting this, let's see who's right. Actually, your whole point about LLMs not being able to detect correctness is just demonstrably false if you play around with LLM agents a bit.

A system outputting correct facts, tells you nothing about the system's ability to prove correctness of facts. You can not assert that property of a system by treating it as a black box. If you are able to treat LLMs as a white box and prove correctness about their internal states, you should tell that to some very important people, that is an insight worth a lot of money.

As usual, my argument brought all the people out of the woodwork who have some obsession about an argument that's tangential. Sorry to touch your tangent, bud.

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by 1718627440 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #156
1718627440 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A system outputting correct facts, tells you nothing about the system's ability to prove correctness of facts. You can not assert that property of a system by treating it as a black box. If you are able to treat LLMs as a white box and prove correctness about their internal states, you should tell that to some very important people, that is an insight worth a lot of money.

As usual, my argument brought all the people out of the woodwork who have some obsession about an argument that's tangential. Sorry to touch your tangent, bud.

> LLMs not being able to detect correctness is just demonstrably false if you play around with LLM agents a bit.

How is telling you that this method of determining correctness is incapable of doing so, only tangential?

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by jasonjmcghee »

jibal wrote: post #84
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #54

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No I'm literally saying - she writes fiction- how can you plagiarize a fiction book and make it work lol (I have no knowledge / context of this situation - no idea if she did or what happened here)

You don't seem to know what plagiarism is.

I'm struggling to understand the circumstance you'd plagiarize fiction - you can literally write anything you want. Why steal someone else's writing and slap it in your book? It'll either stand out and be weird / stilted or you took the time to make it work somehow in which case you probably rewrote it and so why steal in the first place? Or like use allegory instead?

Obviously it shouldn't be done in any circumstance

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by thorn »

_mocha wrote: post #101

This is honestly one of the worst blog posts I've ever read, and probably does a disservice to representing MIT grads (who shaped my entire career 20-30 years ago). Anyways, as someone who was in this space, my 2 pieces of advice are: 1) either get a PhD in the field (and Apple would pick you up relatively easily) 2) have a small history of contributing to languages like rust, go or be prominent on the clang committe…

Not sure why they down voted you. I agree about the quality of this post. It is low and lack substantial advices. Too many words. I suspect they used AI to generate text maybe.

Re: Becoming a compiler engineer

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Post by phendrenad2 »

1718627440 wrote: post #157
phendrenad2 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As usual, my argument brought all the people out of the woodwork who have some obsession about an argument that's tangential. Sorry to touch your tangent, bud.

> LLMs not being able to detect correctness is just demonstrably false if you play around with LLM agents a bit. How is telling you that this method of determining correctness is incapable of doing so, only tangential?

Correctness and proven correctness are different things. I suspect you're a big Rocq Prover fan.
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