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Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by stonogo »

Mindwipe wrote: post #111
notpushkin wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could borrow a trick from Netflix mentioned elsewhere in this thread: https://netflixsubs.app/docs/netflix/features/imgsub I’m pretty sure it’s not too hard to implement an ASS → PNG renderer (especially considering vibe coding is now a thing). Then, just need to split out subs that can be actual text somehow from the ones that have to be overlays. Apart from that... surely they could at least keep ASS subs for…

It is harder than you think and will break on many more devices than you think.

So you make the business decision to stop supporting weird devices that can't do the job right? Why on earth does a cartoon streaming site need provably-correct subtitle support for devices that clearly suck?

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by f33d5173 »

stonogo wrote: post #151
Mindwipe wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is harder than you think and will break on many more devices than you think.

So you make the business decision to stop supporting weird devices that can't do the job right? Why on earth does a cartoon streaming site need provably-correct subtitle support for devices that clearly suck?

Because the owners of those devices are paying them.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by drewbitt »

kacesensitive wrote: post #12

It's so hard finding dubbed anime WITH subtitles. Like actually ridiculously hard. My wife is deaf and I like dubbed so I can use my laptop while we chill but she literally needs subtitles so it's super annoying when a show either 1. Has no subtitles for dubbed. 2. Their subtitles are just the subbed version's subtitles which are drastically different from what the dubbed VAs are actually saying. 3. Has subtitles for…

Pretty much anything labeled [Dual Audio] will have this when sailing the high seas

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by nickitolas »

rs186 wrote: post #119
kazinator wrote: post #31

There is a solution: learn Japanese!

I guess it's easy to type it out on the keyboard. How long did it take you to learn a language to arrive at a level where you can watch a movie/TV program with tons of idioms and cultural references and easily understand > 95% of it?

Not who you were asking but for me about 1800 hours of study+srs+reading+listening for simple shows (not "tons of idioms". Or at least not ones Im not already familiar with). This was for japanese, european languages should be easier.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by jahsome »

Blub2121 wrote: post #146
jahsome wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you were so quick to jump to the defense of the author (who likely doesn't need your white knighting) you completely misunderstood or are misrepresenting what I said was lazy and insulting which was the hypothetical coworker example, and NOT the article itself. With that in mind, I don't have the energy to read the rest of your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I'm sorry if my phrasin…

Dude no offense but they just read what you wrote. Maybe it isn't what you intended to write but you can't blame them for not reading your mind. Applying "beyond lazy and insulting." to coworker and article is the normal interpretation.

I disagree with your assessment but allow me to clarify so there is no room for misunderstanding.

Yes I do believe the type of coworker who uses a screenshot to communicate instead of describing an issue is indeed lazy and insulting.

The article on the other hand clearly isn't lazy. It's obviously quite thorough, just at the time was not well organized.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by jahsome »

Daiz wrote: post #139
rs186 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A small suggestion: ask a friend of yours who don't regularly watch anime to read your article for 20 seconds, and see if they can explain what it is about. I spent quite some hours on CR, yet it was maybe until 30 seconds later before I realized what the "nosedive" refers to exactly. In fact, I kept thinking "quality" refers to "translation quality" and I was puzzled I could not see obvious issues. It doesn't need t…

I made some revisions to the start of the article in order to make things more clear to the layman unfamiliar with anime and subtitling. Hopefully that clears things up!

The addition does indeed provide the clarity I sought. For reasons I won't bore you with, I truly could not discern what the issue was. Every one of my hunches was wong.

Hopefully you can see I was disappointed because it was something I wanted to care about, I just wasn't sure what it actually was I was supposed to care about.

I appreciate your openness to feedback, and I think the article is better for it.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by jahsome »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #144
jahsome wrote: post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

> I find it beyond lazy and insulting I cannot imagine how much more difficult of life you make yourself with this kind of reaction to someone writing extensively on an article nobody forced - much less even asked - you to read.

Did you mean to imply autistism-driven sensory overload is something I'm choosing in interpersonal communication?

I did not mean the article was lazy, I meant that specifically about hypothetical co workers.

The article was at the time reminiscent of said hypothetical co workers, but not at all the same thing. My wording was charged, but not really unclear. The first paragraph is about one subject and the second paragraph was about another.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by jahsome »

Blub2121 wrote: post #145
jahsome wrote: post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

Basically they are intending to limit their own options of how subtitles can be displayed. The limit of not being able to position multiple subtitles at specific position is the biggest thing imo. To go with the first screenshots the post has: For the first it is translating the info box on the left and just adding it above its dialog subtitles. This has a few problems. First the text overlaps the text in the box, no…

Thanks, very helpful examples.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Post by jahsome »

rs186 wrote: post #122
jahsome wrote: post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

The article definitely could be improved. I kind of guessed what the author to say at the beginning, but it was not really clear until much later. Had the author shown a side-by-side comparison at the beginning, it would have helped.

I think that was the intent, but my point was that even a side-by-side isn't worth much to someone truly clueless who doesn't know what to look for.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, it's extremely difficult for me to determine which of those thousand words are applicable, and without guidance introduces a ton of noise.

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