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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by pohl »

willis936 wrote: post #127
tootie wrote: post #116

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It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.

It makes more sense when you frame it as "party of shameless self interest and racial stratification acts in shameless self interest while racially stratifying". You can draw a straight line back to even before the US civil war of the anti-federalists using their station to undermine the republic and liberties it stands for.

Nicely said. That’s right up there with Wilhoit’s Law for being a clarifying perspective.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by galagawinkle489 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #132
galagawinkle489 wrote: post #125

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> invasion Don't think this meets either the common or legal definition of "invasion" >you decided it was "racist" and threw a fit every time anyone suggested it was a problem. I decided nothing, buddy. >If you hadn't let it become an issue, Interesting, because the last time it was about to be taken up by congress, DJT said not to do anything about it, for political advantage. Neither side has its hands clean here.…

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by krapp »

vinyl7 wrote: post #144
keeda wrote: post #52

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My understanding is that the only thing keeping this from happening is that the data is far more valuable for traffic monitoring than law enforcement. As a trivial example, these cameras can already determine is a vehicle is speeding based on its number plate sightings between any two cameras. They can hence start issuing tickets, no radar or police needed. However, they've not gone down this path because they are (r…

Don't we have the right to "face your accuser" ie getting automatic tickets from the government is illegal because you don't have an accuser.

The accuser is the state issuing the ticket.

And you do have the right to contest the ticket in court, before a judge.

Unless you have the free time, and some evidence that doesn't involve the fringe around the courtroom's flag, you're probably better off just paying the ticket.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by pessimizer »

_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by cindyllm »

xeonmc wrote: post #101
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

This reality feels like someone had their monkey paw wish granted. “I wish I could play Wolfenstein in real life.”

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by mc32 »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #137
mc32 wrote: post #98

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Those systems depend on enforcement. If a private system keeps score and gate keeps you usually have alternatives (utilities excluded), if it’s the gov and they decide to enforce it, then things get dire…

But what if Target security cooperates with the government, and they share capabilities, so that a facial recognition inside of a Target location would notify law enforcement who also has an interest in that person? In such a scenario.. Target would freely give its data but not necessarily acting an agent of the government.

People need to work to reverse the Bush and Obama initiated and then continued practice (setting precedent) of bypassing direct surveillance by buying data from data brokers. The Biden and Trump admins just continue this practice. That’s where people need to reverse the practice. I mean you had the FBI and probably others wiretapping Congress folks so… it’s like they don’t care.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by nyargh »

zahlman wrote: post #148
nyargh wrote: post #143

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In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.

Can you evidence any of that?

75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question.

I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil.

ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and are routinely exceeding their authority and violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US to meet those quotas.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by nyargh »

galagawinkle489 wrote: post #150
nyargh wrote: post #141

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It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.

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75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions, per their own stats. This isn't goalpost shifting.

Immigration is a civil issue in the US, full stop. Immigration courts are administrative courts, not Title III criminal courts.

You are obviously a brand new bot account so I will mute you and move on.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by jimt1234 »

Regarding the specific issue of using facial recognition apps to identify criminals, and using those apps as justification for detention/arrest - has this ever been challenged in court? I know there's caselaw that supports using cameras in public, but I'm wondering about the apps that are used to "recognize", and then the decision to detain/arrest based on those apps. If I'm a lawyer challenging this, I wanna see the source code for the app; I want verification that the app is working as it's intended, the false positive/negative rate, and that there's no way for someone to "put their thumb on the scale" to get a desired outcome, etc. I'm also gonna want access to the phone that was used to take the picture(s).
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