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Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by simoncion »

cyberax wrote: post #147
simoncion wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are not keeping up with the state of the art. Does that mean that the performance is middling (making them -IME- equal to UBNT's APs), that they never have APs that use the very latest and greatest WiFi version, or both?

Both. They don't have access points supporting 6 GHz wireless or 2.5G Ethernet. I think they've just given up on that sector, and they're focusing on more specialized outdoors/long-distance wireless. I don't want to get into the Ubiquity ecosystem because it's typically all-or-nothing plunge. And I distrust complicated managed systems out of general principles.

You've not looked at Mikrotik's hardware recently.

They have several APs that have 2.5Gbit ethernet (one with a 2.5Gbit SFP+ cage), and one AP with a 10Gbit SFP+ cage. Additionally, all their APs run RouterOS, which means that you can bond links together to fairly-reliably get additional throughput. [0]

In regards to Wifi 6e and Wifi 7, it looks like Mikrotik takes quite a long while after a new Wifi version to release hardware that runs it. I expect your assertion that they've given up on 6GHz for home/small-office APs is incorrect.

[0] Yes, I've personal experience with using link bonding on Mikrotik hardware. As a knowledgeable someone would expect, it usually provides you with additional throughput proportional to the number of bonded links.

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by locusm »

zamadatix wrote: post #36
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #19

FiberStore (fs.com) have offered vendor neutral and reprogrammable SFPs and other modules for years (they're also dramatically less expensive).

> (they're also dramatically less expensive) It depends, but for typical networking I'd say Ubiquti is actually offering better pricing here (outside of 10G LR) - and I'm saying that as someone who has sold 10s of thousands of FS modules to customers. | FS | Ubiquiti -----------+------+----------- Programmer | $369 | $49 10G SR | $25 | $12 ($20) 10G LR | $34 | $59 ($85) 25G SR | $49 | $29 ($49) 25G LR | $74 | $69 ($1…

Whats the best solution for short runs (rack) between Mikrotik switches and Dell servers. Will a DAC still work between different vendors or is it always best to buy individual transceivers?

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by dheera »

esseph wrote: post #148
dheera wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything here from Ubiquiti that can allow me to plug an AT&T Fiber directly into my Unifi switch and get rid of the BGW620 crap? One would think AT&T Fiber is so common in Ubiquiti's target market that they should make an official SFP module for this already. I know there are these XPS-GROUPON with "8311 firmware" SFP modules or something to bypass it but they cost $130+ and just wondering if there's someth…

Consider that AT&T fiber device to be a literal component of their network in a way that is: adopted into the network management system, configured with appropriate settings for the particular network and network segment, maybe the device is named in a particular way for their billing/CRM solution, there may need to be e911 info configured in the device if they often do VoIP service, etc. In short, a gpon network is…

But 3rd party devices that work with AT&T Fiber do exist. Ubiquiti just needs to get with the beat.

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by locusm »

aetherspawn wrote: post #125

UniFi SFP modules work fine in Dell and Synology servers, so contrary to most of the anecdotes in this thread I’ve always just bought the 20 packs and had no issues. Didn’t need reprogramming. The quality is fine, oldest modules more than 5 years old and only 1 failure in 100.

What nics are you using on the server end? Im looking at moving from 10Gbe copper to 25Gbe/100Gbe between Mikrotik switches and 14/15th gen Dell servers

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by veegee »

locusm wrote: post #152
zamadatix wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (they're also dramatically less expensive) It depends, but for typical networking I'd say Ubiquti is actually offering better pricing here (outside of 10G LR) - and I'm saying that as someone who has sold 10s of thousands of FS modules to customers. | FS | Ubiquiti -----------+------+----------- Programmer | $369 | $49 10G SR | $25 | $12 ($20) 10G LR | $34 | $59 ($85) 25G SR | $49 | $29 ($49) 25G LR | $74 | $69 ($1…

Whats the best solution for short runs (rack) between Mikrotik switches and Dell servers. Will a DAC still work between different vendors or is it always best to buy individual transceivers?

DAC is always the best option for short runs in terms of cost and compatibility.

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by cyberax »

simoncion wrote: post #151
cyberax wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both. They don't have access points supporting 6 GHz wireless or 2.5G Ethernet. I think they've just given up on that sector, and they're focusing on more specialized outdoors/long-distance wireless. I don't want to get into the Ubiquity ecosystem because it's typically all-or-nothing plunge. And I distrust complicated managed systems out of general principles.

You've not looked at Mikrotik's hardware recently. They have several APs that have 2.5Gbit ethernet (one with a 2.5Gbit SFP+ cage), and one AP with a 10Gbit SFP+ cage. Additionally, all their APs run RouterOS, which means that you can bond links together to fairly-reliably get additional throughput. [0] In regards to Wifi 6e and Wifi 7, it looks like Mikrotik takes quite a long while after a new Wifi version to relea…

Yeah, I'm using bonded links between my Synology NAS with 4 gigabit ports and a CCR router. It works acceptably well.

But I've just checked the Mikrotik hardware list, and I don't see indoor APs that are PoE-powered and have more than one Ethernet port. Maybe I'm overlooking something?

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by c-hendricks »

timeinput wrote: post #129
c-hendricks wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so based on your last paragraph I guess you're in "prosumer" territory? My router has dual WAN, SFP, can do cellular over USB, tells DHCP clients to use the pihole for DNS, and I don't have speed issues in or around the house with the mesh nodes, but maybe it falls short if I was looking to do more advanced routing/firewalls.

Definitely in prosumer territory, and it's totally achievable with equipment that isn't Ubiquiti (they're not magic, the mediums RF + ethernet + fiber are all the same), but the amount of fiddling I found to get things to 'work right' with ubiquiti was plug it all in, set up the WiFi password, and update the DNS / DHCP server to my pihole, and then I didn't have to do much else, and there was a really nice UI with ni…

Hey, really appreciate the response though. I would say I'm in the "more time than money" category.

It's hard to not notice the ... ubiquity of praise for their gear over the years, but I haven't seen much clarifying what sets them apart. Maybe I should look at them like peak Apple but for networking gear?

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by simoncion »

cyberax wrote: post #156
simoncion wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've not looked at Mikrotik's hardware recently. They have several APs that have 2.5Gbit ethernet (one with a 2.5Gbit SFP+ cage), and one AP with a 10Gbit SFP+ cage. Additionally, all their APs run RouterOS, which means that you can bond links together to fairly-reliably get additional throughput. [0] In regards to Wifi 6e and Wifi 7, it looks like Mikrotik takes quite a long while after a new Wifi version to relea…

Yeah, I'm using bonded links between my Synology NAS with 4 gigabit ports and a CCR router. It works acceptably well. But I've just checked the Mikrotik hardware list, and I don't see indoor APs that are PoE-powered and have more than one Ethernet port. Maybe I'm overlooking something?

> But I've just checked the Mikrotik hardware list, I don't see indoor APs that are PoE-powered and have more than one Ethernet port.

a) Who said anything about that? In the four comments prior to this one, that set of requirements wasn't brought up.

b) Yes, you are absolutely overlooking something. On the Products page, try expanding the "Features" widget of the "Product filters" section, checking the "PoE-in" option, and hitting the "Use filters" button. Even the AP I mentioned with the 10Gbit SFP+ cage has PoE in.

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by aetherspawn »

locusm wrote: post #154
aetherspawn wrote: post #125

UniFi SFP modules work fine in Dell and Synology servers, so contrary to most of the anecdotes in this thread I’ve always just bought the 20 packs and had no issues. Didn’t need reprogramming. The quality is fine, oldest modules more than 5 years old and only 1 failure in 100.

What nics are you using on the server end? Im looking at moving from 10Gbe copper to 25Gbe/100Gbe between Mikrotik switches and 14/15th gen Dell servers

Broadcom in nearly all cases (default Dell option, I think). Elsewhere, Intel.

Re: Ubiquiti SFP Wizard

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Post by samplatt »

cmckn wrote: post #144
donatj wrote: post #28

Early this year I started redoing the backbone of my home network with 10 gb. Some of it's fiber, some of it's 10 gb copper Ethernet. It's been genuinely frustrating the weird incompatibilities between switches and SFP+ modules. All my switches are MikroTik. My SFP+ modules are MikroTik, Ubiquiti, and some 3rd party ones from before I knew better. I've had modules that will only run at gigabit in one switch but will…

Have you had any issues with cooling? I have a 10GbE SFP+ module (made by Ubiquiti) that seems to have issues with overheating, I had to remove it to keep my network up consistently.

Copper 10gbe or fibre? All copper 10gbit devices produce a lot more heat than their 1gbit brethren.

It's one of the reasons I switched to running fiber even to desktops at home; it's like 1/10th the heat output.

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