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Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by derleth »

xenophanes wrote: post #112
icebraining wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean flat-out deny, There's a reason why simple social engineering works with a very high degree of success, and manipulating small children who have trust in his kidnapper (which isn't rare, since they're often family members) is even easier.

Which is why I suggested raising less gullible, passive, compliant people. Gullibility is a problem, here and elsewhere. I think raising people to be good, independent non-gullible people is a better approach than sticking trackers on them.

> Which is why I suggested raising less gullible, passive, compliant people. Gullibility is a problem, here and elsewhere.

Young children are going to be gullible and compliant because they are young children.

That isn't something you can change until they are no longer young children. It's a question of both the teaching time required and the mental development required to learn those skills.

Similarly, some older children and adults are going to be gullible and compliant because they are mentally handicapped. Again, this isn't something you can fix by training them.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by klausjensen »

r00fus wrote: post #42
sachingulaya wrote: post #34

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A friend of mine growing up had an older brother who was abducted. His mother quit her job and spent the next 5 years looking for him. Eventually, she found him. She called her mother's home and her son picked up the phone. He had been abducted by his uncle and told that his mother had sent him to live with his extended family. No one suspected it. Now, I know n=1 is not a good sample size, but to downplay the signif…

Some way to tag your children (see Woz's attempts) are probably going to be more successful than alerting random people.

A quick google on "Steve Wozniak children tag" and similar did not give any results. Can you provide a link? Would love to read more about that.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by moontear »

thelicx wrote: post #79

The 404 page of the website doesn't display any children: http://notfound.org/404.html

Actually their real 404 page, e.g. http://notfound.org/something.html or http://notfound.org/404 or http://notfound.org/bla.xml do display children.

What you happened to stumble upon was an existing page called 404.html, which of course is a bit funny.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by emiliobumachar »

rmc wrote: post #150
paulhauggis wrote: post #26

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It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway. It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it. That is a good sentiment, but unfortunately it's not how a lot of society works. For example, many people die of poor nutrition, or from lack of the best medical care. If the wealth of the top 30% of the population (y'know all the billionares, millionares & upper class (maybe some middle class)) was confiscated then we could save these lives.…

The inevitable economic collapse from the warped incentives would likely cost more lives.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by grhino »

rmc wrote: post #148
scotty79 wrote: post #128

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I don't think he provided example for successful public service announcement.

Yes they did. In the original story, no-one doubted the uncle's claim that the child had been sent by their parents. If there were public service announcements that "This child is offically missing", someone might have copped that something was up.

If the right individuals had seen the public service announcment. Were there any public service announcements for that abduction example given?

I think it's a given that nearly all the impressions of a public service announcement of a child abduction will be seen by people who have never seen that child. There's a cost of seeing a PSA of a child abduction. People will now consider child abductions more likely than they actually are. This causes them to make decisions that may be against the best interest of their children like go outside and play.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by greggman »

fusiongyro wrote: post #49
zmj wrote: post #27

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Please read this: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=psychology-... > When people are asked to trade their sacred values for values considered to be secular—what psychologist Philip Tetlock refers to as a “taboo tradeoff”—they exhibit moral outrage, express anger and disgust, become increasingly inflexible in negotiations, and display an insensitivity to a strict cost-benefit analysis of the exchange. W…

An interesting article about human behavior. How nice. However, I don't see a categorical disproof in there of the idea that saving lives is something worth spending time and money on, so could you take a minute and connect the dots for us plebs? Thanks.

A common example of trying too hard to save lives is the unintended consequences. Example: making airplanes more safe -> flights cost more -> more people opt to drive -> more people are killed in car accidents than saved by safer airplanes

Whether that fits here or not I'm not sure.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by trotsky »

mnicole wrote: post #30
paulhauggis wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway. It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

Maybe this makes me a terrible person or someone with a bad photographic memory, but I literally cannot recall any missing person's face that I've seen on a billboard, a website, a milk carton, etc. even if I saw them daily. Worse, the more sites that adopt this concept, the less likely I am to remember those faces and - out of how plain awful and sad it is it is - the less likely I am to even want to spend time look…

To clarify: The idea isn't that you'll remember a picture, but rather that you might recognize a child you already know.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by jmilloy »

scotty79 wrote: post #128
tlrobinson wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your parent was providing an example where public service announcements about such kidnappings could have been productive.

I don't think he provided example for successful public service announcement.

Right. Instead the example that refutes the idea that public announcements aren't necessary for finding kids who were kidnapped by family members because the authorities would have looked there anyways by providing a anecdote where a public service announcement could have helped find a kid who was kidnapped by family members and not found (for a long time).
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