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Re: Asbestosis

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Post by worik »

margalabargala wrote: post #145
olologin wrote: post #110

My mother died from pancreatic cancer 5 months ago when she was 55 years old, 9 months after she started noticing pain and doctors started investigating it. The worst thing is that she never worked in any hazardous environments, never smoked, never drank alcohol, avoided fried cuisine, avoided GMO-food, she was always eating as much as possible from her own garden, did not use any chemicals, she wasn't obese, she did…

> avoided GMO-food, she was always eating as much as possible from her own garden Depending where she lived, this may have been the cause. Plenty of people unknowingly live and grow food in areas that had toxic waste dumped on them a century ago, and it's still there in the dirt. GMO food, in addition to not being any worse for you than non-GMO food, generally gets grown in places that have always been agricultural l…

> grown in places that have always been agricultural land.

Living in New Zealand they are often the most polluted.

Agri industry is, and was always, very lax about disposing of the extremely toxic chemicals in use

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by thescriptkiddie »

sva_ wrote: post #19
beejiu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate this article is about the UK and Imgur has blocked the UK because of the Online Safety Act :(

I wouldn't blame Imgur for that, but the UK gov + people who elected them/didn't resist.

imgur could simply not comply, they aren't a UK company

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Post by nightshift1 »

simonsquiff wrote: post #82
p0w3n3d wrote: post #28

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The best age for having kids biologically, in terms of health is... Close to 18. I had my first child when I was 27 and I was already very tired in the nights, we agreed with wife that it would have been better to start earlier. Some people have kids when 35-40 and I cannot imagine it at all. I'm too tired right now. Much wiser, but my health would not allow me to stay up nights

I had my first at 42, second at 45, and about to have my third at 48. Honestly it’s been fine - thinking that people might find this unimaginable is so far from my reality. It really feels like I’ve had the same experience as those in their 30s. Part of this might be that 40s life is a bit more chill anyhow - I no longer go and get smashed every weekend, or even have the FOMO that I’m not doing that. And work life, w…

My parents had me at 40. I wish they had me sooner. They were old and tired for all my life and at 40 my last parent is already near the end. I have only known one of my grandparents. My parents were the equivalent of other kids grandparents. You do you but i think it's selfish.

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by worik »

In New Zealand the consolidation of much agri business left many huge buildings vacant throughout the rural back country and in industrial suburbs

They would be fabulous, many of them for repurpossing, but because asbestos it is financially impossible to do anything with them.

So they rot. Some burn, which I imagine releases the asbestos into the atmosphere

It is such a waste

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by blub »

orbital-decay wrote: post #142
throwaway290 wrote: post #97

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This is false actually. asbestos is banned in Russia in residential flat construction (unless it is fully isolated so that it doesn't get inside the space) exactly because it is bad for your lungs. There's limits on how much asbestos can be in the air safely and thry are pretty low

Eternit (асбестоцементный шифер) is absolutely everywhere in Russia, even if banned in residential construction, so the exposure chance is still pretty high.

In Europe, Eternit as a brand of fiber cement still exists, but they replaced the asbestos with something else.

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by userbinator »

RobGR wrote: post #138
wincy wrote: post #56

One thing I think most Western people don't realize, especially with how terrified we are of asbestos, is that it is still used and being mined today! Russia still extensively uses Abestos, the name literally comes from the Russian town of Asbest which is known for exporting, you guessed it, asbestos, to countries like China, India, and Brazil. Of course being Russian they also say it's a Western lie that Asbestos ca…

I would appear that you can buy it on Alibaba: https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?tab=all&SearchText=asbe... I have not tried, although I was tempted just out of curiosity -- would it make it through customs and get delivered to me in the US ? The rope and fabric style products should not be that dangerous because they are long fibers that should not break off and float in the air, and the cylinder head gasket mate…

Even cotton dust is bad if you breathe enough of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byssinosis

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by userbinator »

cjrp wrote: post #46
jabl wrote: post #29

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Luckily thanks to regulation the use of asbestos in new builds has almost completely been eliminated (I'm sure there are some uses somewhere where it's indispensable?), but there's of course a huge number of places where it turns up in all kinds of renovation projects. In addition to buildings, e.g. ships. Think about a steamship, what material that is fireproof and doesn't rot do you think they used for insulating b…

Ships, especially navy ships, have lead to lots of mesothelioma cases in later life.

Ships and other industrial applications were where the most dangerous blue asbestos was most common.

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Post by olologin »

exasperaited wrote: post #112
olologin wrote: post #110

My mother died from pancreatic cancer 5 months ago when she was 55 years old, 9 months after she started noticing pain and doctors started investigating it. The worst thing is that she never worked in any hazardous environments, never smoked, never drank alcohol, avoided fried cuisine, avoided GMO-food, she was always eating as much as possible from her own garden, did not use any chemicals, she wasn't obese, she did…

My sympathies for what must be just an awful time for you —- sporadic pancreatic cancer is just a lurking evil. My mother died of an unusual form of it, just a little older than yours, when I was in my early twenties. It was terrible. The only unusual thing was some prior surgery near her pancreas, from twenty years earlier, had apparently had severe scarring that was noticed during surgery to fit a stent.

I am sorry for your loss as well, it was even harder for you in twenties.

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by Fnoord »

ls612 wrote: post #126
pac0 wrote: post #6

> My Dad lost his Dad at the age of 34, which is no age at all in the grand scheme of things. By contrast I still have my Dad at the age of 60, which has meant an extra quarter century of guidance, support, advice, love and always being there. How lucky am I? I lost my father when I was 30. I thought I’d been lucky because I’d had him through my “adult” life. Now I’m 40 and have a 2-year-old son, and over these past…

My dad’s dad died when he was 13, and this dropped his family from upper middle class to basically in poverty except for owning a fully paid off house. It radically colored his outlook on life and left him risk averse and frugal, even to the expense of his quality of life. What’s the point of saving up an 8 figure nest egg and working into your 70s if you spend less than 100k/year? I’m lucky to have him still at the…

100k USD per year for a family is poverty in the USA? I had to look that up [1].

> Real wages averaged $67,521 in 2022, and average household incomes averaged to $87,864.

Further down it says:

> In every country, there are levels of the middle class, with low middle-class earners and high middle-class earners. In America, the states all have their own middle-class medians as well. For example, in Alabama, low-middle-class families start at $38,582 while higher middle-class ranges can end at $161,524.

So without knowing where you're from, we don't know.

[1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-fam...

Re: Asbestosis

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Post by andy_ppp »

I overheard a TFL worker talking about the Bakerloo line (here in London) apparently having vast sections of the tunnels covered in asbestos and it would be too expensive and too dangerous to ever remove so every few years they spray the inside of the line with basically glue to stop it from breaking up. I try to avoid taking the Bakerloo line these days...
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