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Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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Disable AI, disable targeted ads... What's wrong with you, Firefox ?

In their defense, they're in a bit of a precarious financial situation. Most of their money comes from Google, who happens to also be their largest competitor.

That's why they're launching a FREE VPN?

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-services/mozilla-is-experi...

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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Mozilla could have had the no-nonsense, high performance browser backend that everyone uses to build their own browsers (like the recent glut of AI browsers), instead of everyone using Chromium/Blink. In the past, Gecko was really the go-to choice for this. They almost had a second shot with Servo. But they kinda really dropped the ball on the technical capability of the browser while continuing to be distracted by a…

I'm not sure that was ever realistic.

It's been 20 years since Apple decided they needed a browser of their own, and even then they chose to throw their weight behind KDE's KHTML, not Gecko.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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> As an example of how to organise this, you could have a bounty system for feature requests. Users define a feature they want to see and in negotiation with developers set acceptance criteria for when it's delivered. Users can then assign money as an incentive to complete the feature request. In this way, users can ensure they support developers to deliver the features they want to see. Could you actually provide an…

Large scale? No. However, it has been done before. For example, for open source Amiga development work... https://power2people.org/projects/overview/

So it hasn't been done before since scale is key here where toy solutions to coordination problems fail

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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Then they should just say so and close the open issues, instead of letting them linger for literal decades and have people waste time on them then ignore them. That’s just bad stewardship. Anyway, the reasons are irrelevant and I’m frankly tired of explaining this to Firefox defenders. Someone asked “what about Firefox are you missing” and I responded with what it’s missing for me . Plugging your ears and coming up w…

The features that firefox does not support are few and far between, and, IME, usually things you do not necessarily want supported. As a user, I do not want nor need my browser to support AppleScript. AppleScript is something that should not exist. In somewhat typical apple fashion, it's some NIH platform-specific bullshit that nobody really cares about and is only half-assed supported even on it's native platform. T…

So first they didn’t do it because of the maintenance burden, and now it’s because the feature sucks and shouldn’t exist. If you’re going to keep ignoring my points and making up new things while moving the goalposts, I don’t see the point in having a discussion.

I’ll say it again:

> Plugging your ears and coming up with excuses doesn’t move the needle. Accept it or don’t, it makes no difference.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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post #154

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The features that firefox does not support are few and far between, and, IME, usually things you do not necessarily want supported. As a user, I do not want nor need my browser to support AppleScript. AppleScript is something that should not exist. In somewhat typical apple fashion, it's some NIH platform-specific bullshit that nobody really cares about and is only half-assed supported even on it's native platform. T…

So first they didn’t do it because of the maintenance burden, and now it’s because the feature sucks and shouldn’t exist. If you’re going to keep ignoring my points and making up new things while moving the goalposts, I don’t see the point in having a discussion. I’ll say it again: > Plugging your ears and coming up with excuses doesn’t move the needle. Accept it or don’t, it makes no difference.

It's both, obviously. You asked for one reason, I gave it to you, you didn't like it, so I gave another reason. These are all speculative, of course, and just my opinion.

> If you’re going to keep ignoring my points and making up new things while moving the goalposts, I don’t see the point in having a discussion.

I'm not ignoring anything - it's called disagreeing with your points. Because I do disagree with them, to an extent.

I agree that Firefox is missing features. I DO NOT agree that this is generally, keyword generally, a bad thing.

Also, Firefox is not even the most behind browser. Uh, that would be Safari, and it's not even close.

If you don't support Firefox but you DO support Safari, then:

1. You must not give a flying fuck about web standards or features, as Safari is missing the most of both OR

2. You squarely target primarily Apple users so you have no choice but to put up with Apple's subpar software, i.e. you're Stockholm'd in

For option 2, the only way to stop that is to do what I said - stop playing Apple's games and don't target their bespoke barely-functional bullshit.

Also, let me just say: there is absolutely no shame in number 2. You have to make your money. Just a couple years ago, I was maintaining an application that still targeted IE 6. Yes, really. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to reach the users where they are.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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Large scale? No. However, it has been done before. For example, for open source Amiga development work... https://power2people.org/projects/overview/

So it hasn't been done before since scale is key here where toy solutions to coordination problems fail

There's nothing stopping the idea from scaling.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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post #154

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So first they didn’t do it because of the maintenance burden, and now it’s because the feature sucks and shouldn’t exist. If you’re going to keep ignoring my points and making up new things while moving the goalposts, I don’t see the point in having a discussion. I’ll say it again: > Plugging your ears and coming up with excuses doesn’t move the needle. Accept it or don’t, it makes no difference.

It's both, obviously. You asked for one reason, I gave it to you, you didn't like it, so I gave another reason. These are all speculative, of course, and just my opinion. > If you’re going to keep ignoring my points and making up new things while moving the goalposts, I don’t see the point in having a discussion. I'm not ignoring anything - it's called disagreeing with your points. Because I do disagree with them, to…

Everything about your answer is wrong and full of assumptions.

> You asked for one reason

No, I did not. I didn’t ask for any reason. I don’t need one, the result is the same.

> I gave it to you

No, you did not, you gave speculation. Which changes nothing.

> you didn't like it

I couldn’t care less about your speculation. I specifically said I don’t care. The only thing I don’t like is how you’re just making up reasons based on what you want and like, as if your tastes and needs are all that matters, instead of what’s the truth for Firefox development.

> I'm not ignoring anything

You moved the goal post without addressing my initial reply to your response, which poked a direct hole in your speculation:

> Then they should just say so and close the open issues, instead of letting them linger for literal decades and have people waste time on them then ignore them. That’s just bad stewardship.

You continue:

> it's called disagreeing with your points.

It makes no sense to disagree with a personal opinion! My reasons are my own. It’s like if you said you disagreed with me for saying I don’t like chocolate. Your opinion is irrelevant to someone else’s taste or needs.

And then the rest is just more speculation. Again, Firefox is the only major browser not supporting AppleScript. And just so you know, Chromium browsers typically support it better than Safari.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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So it hasn't been done before since scale is key here where toy solutions to coordination problems fail

There's nothing stopping the idea from scaling.

Really!? A good idea .. just scales? Is that how you view the world?

A good idea is nothing without good execution. And execution requires patience, coordination, a good amount of luck .. and so much ideas.

It is like what they say - Ideas are infinite. Nobody cares about them.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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There's nothing stopping the idea from scaling.

Really!? A good idea .. just scales? Is that how you view the world? A good idea is nothing without good execution. And execution requires patience, coordination, a good amount of luck .. and so much ideas. It is like what they say - Ideas are infinite. Nobody cares about them.

Explain what problems are encountered with 1000 feature requests linked to bounties that aren't encountered with 10 feature requests linked to bounties.

Re: Disable AI in Firefox

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Personally, I do not mind it if it's on-device, especially small specialised models (e.g. overview generation, audio generation, etc) with no internet access.

In the long term, on-device won't save us from a biased assistant. It might notice we seem tired and insinuate that we could use Mococoa, all natural beans straight from the upper slopes of Mount Nicaragua. Or—and this happens—it "summarizes" the same text differently, depending on whether the author's name happens to fit a certain ethnicity.

On the inverse of this, it can also save us from biased content because it can point out all the ways that the article we are reading is trying to manipulate our perspective.

With how inexpensive trainings are starting to get, it will not be long until we can train our own specialized models to fit our specific needs.

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