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Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by _0lpy »

deaux wrote: post #129
lrvick wrote: post #23

I do not use AI for engineering work and never will, because doing the work of thinking for myself is how I maintain the neural capacity for forming my own original thoughts and ideas no AI has seen before. If anyone gives me an opinion from an AI, they disrespect me and themselves to a point they are dead to me in an engineering capacity. Once someone outsources their brain they are unlikely to keep learning or evol…

> I do not use AI for engineering work and never will > Once someone outsources their brain they are unlikely to keep learning or evolving from that point It doesn't piss me off, it makes me feel sorry for you. Sorry that you're incapable of imagining those with curiosity who use AI to do exactly what you're claiming they don't - learning. The uncurious were uncurious before AI and remain so. They never asked why, th…

And how does your curious user know if the LLM is hallucinating?

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by lostmsu »

galagawinkle489 wrote: post #136
lostmsu wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was referring to computers and program execution in general.

He was wrong. He wasn't right about everything just because he's reddit's favourite physicist (after Neil Degrass Tyson).

Surely he is not wrong just because you say so.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by beefnugs »

Actually I think its called Fraud: If you payed someone else to do your job, and didnt even confirm correctness, then you should be fired.

Wait no, if your boss is making you use this tech, then its his fault.

Wait no, if the companies are selling this as the holy grail of firing everyone to save money, its the fault of whomever is buying this trash without testing it

Wait no, if this is trained on the entirety of human information, then we are all wrong for not deleting all of our bad answers written on the internet

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by NewJazz »

plorkyeran wrote: post #28
Leherenn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you"? My experience is that the vast majority of people do 0 research (AI assisted or not) before asking questions online. Questions that could have usually been answered in a few seconds if they had tried. If someone preface a question by saying they've done their research but would like validation, then yes it's in incredibly poor taste.

It is the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you" except for that most of the people doing it don't seem to realize that they're telling the person to fuck off, while that absolutely was the intent with lmfgtfy.

Also lmgtfy was a one line comment, whereas these llm comments are sometimes multiple paragraphs.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by notanastronaut »

noir_lord wrote: post #13
einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

To modifying a hitchism. > What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Becomes > That which can be asserted without thought can be dismissed without thought. Since no current AI thinks but humans do I’m just going to dismiss anything an AI says out of hand because you are pushing the cost of parsing what it said onto me and off you and nah, ain’t accepting that.

Would the same thought apply to Wikipedia, though. If a user said "Well, according to Wikipedia" and blah blah blah, would that be dismissed out of hand.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by notanastronaut »

malfist wrote: post #91
tonyspiff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. On the other hand, there's a difference between "I one-prompted some mini LLM" and "A deep-thinking LLM aided me through research with fact-checking, agents, tools and lots of input from me." While both can be phrased with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…”, the latter would not annoy me.

LLMs are incapable of fact checking. They have no concept of facts.

They can cite their sources which can be double checked by the user and verified. I guess at that point the user would just tell you what they found and use the same sources and people would be way less hostile than they currently are.

Whether the hatred is justified or not, the openness of said hostility just breeds users who'll hide their usage and deliver the same content, just repackaged enough in attempt to throw off the BS smell. And now you, the user, might be two paragraphs into something that may be truthful enough to fool you unless you're also an expert on the topic. I'd rather know up front what their source was and weigh the data with that in mind.

Otherwise we're now all going to have to assume everything we read is AI generated and suspect everyone else is going to look at our own content under such a microscope. Maybe that's a positive though.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by baxuz »

einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

Using ChatGPT can be a good tool to figure out naming and docs.

If a stupid LLM doesn't understand what something might be, chances are your user won't either.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by mcv »

einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

Exactly what I came here to say. It's not wrong to ask ChatGPT for advice; it can occasionally be very useful. But if I want chatGPT's opinion, I can ask for it myself. It's pointless to ask ChatGPT to review someone else's code. Use it to review your own before you submit it for review by your coworkers.

This is not a problem I've run into fortunately, but I'm appalled that this exists.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by mcv »

_0lpy wrote: post #151
deaux wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do not use AI for engineering work and never will > Once someone outsources their brain they are unlikely to keep learning or evolving from that point It doesn't piss me off, it makes me feel sorry for you. Sorry that you're incapable of imagining those with curiosity who use AI to do exactly what you're claiming they don't - learning. The uncurious were uncurious before AI and remain so. They never asked why, th…

And how does your curious user know if the LLM is hallucinating?

You double check and verify. But now you know what to double check and verify.
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