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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by a-dub »

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

lenovo p1 and x1 are pretty nice. lunar lake machines are posting macintarm style benchmarks for battery life for light tasks. the screens are matte by default. you can upgrade ram and disk rather than discard (all the framework hype has been the thinkpad standard of upgradability for over a decade). the keyboards are fantastic. they have a pointer stick.

no unified cpu/gpu memory, but you can get nvidia gpus and work with cuda rather than mlx.

it's actually getting really good.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by jcalvinowens »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #135
jcalvinowens wrote: post #79

I don't understand the obsession with the new apple hardware. How is it worth this much trouble? My XPS13 works perfectly with Linux straight out of the box for half the price... and never in my entire life have I needed more than the eight hours of battery life it reliably delivers for me. I do most of my work over SSH on big metal machines, maybe that's the disconnect? But seriously, there are few things in the wor…

I suppose for folks here, they like being able to do dev work (as well as web browsing) on a fast laptop with low power draw. Sounds like that's not exactly your use case.

> they like being able to do dev work (as well as web browsing) on a fast laptop with low power draw.

I guess that's hard for me to understand... do you just not have to compile things? Or do you just not mind waiting?

No matter how exceptional the laptops are for laptops, a real computer plugged into a wall is always going to vastly outperform them...

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by xtracto »

bigyabai wrote: post #97
scuff3d wrote: post #95

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Alternatively, you can buy a laptop from an OEM that doesn't play keep-away with the Linux upstream using their drivers. I write lots of Linux software but I have no intention to explicitly support Asahi or Macs whatsoever. Apple's greed is not something I will support with my money or my time, if Apple wants to court the Linux community then they can do it the same way Intel, AMD and Nvidia get along with us. Making…

I recently spent around $6k in a new 14in MacBook Pro with 128gb unified ram and 4tb HD. To replace my old Linux running 2012 MacBook pro.

I searched throughly for something as close to that MBP hw conf but with Linux compatibility. There's just no hardware equivalent to what the Macbookpro, including the build quality.

So I de idea to go for the MBP and install vmware + Linux. It's an amazing piece of hardware.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by cozzyd »

mort96 wrote: post #21
simjnd wrote: post #19

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On macOS you can use OrbStack [1] for a much better experience working with Docker on Mac, as well as quickly spinning up headless Linux VMs (WSL on Mac kind of thing). The free tier will probably be rug-pulled someday, but I've been using it for a couple of years and it makes my life a lot easier when I'm on macOS. [1]: https://orbstack.dev/

And you're saying that this can set my WiFi card in promiscuous mode as if I was running Linux bare metal?

You can in principle use USB passthrough to do that on a USB WiFi card to do that, I believe, but sucks to carry around a USB dongle especially since macs seem to barely have USB ports...

I'm happy with my AMD Thinkpad running Linux ...

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by tgma »

simjnd wrote: post #19
mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

On macOS you can use OrbStack [1] for a much better experience working with Docker on Mac, as well as quickly spinning up headless Linux VMs (WSL on Mac kind of thing). The free tier will probably be rug-pulled someday, but I've been using it for a couple of years and it makes my life a lot easier when I'm on macOS. [1]: https://orbstack.dev/

All of these things are running Linux under virtualization and faking it to the Mac user and they naturally have all the same limitations as running a VM. They are effectively like WSL.

P.S. I believe that specific company did some level of rug-pull early on already and started charging people who already relied on it for free because they left Docker which started charging earlier, so I would be vary of relying on them.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by latexr »

bornfreddy wrote: post #113
latexr wrote: post #108

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> Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple Pretty hard to make that argument about people who explicitly want to get rid of Apple’s OS from their hardware.

Not really. Apple hardware is great, but MacOS sucks big time (compared to Linux).

And do you think it makes sense to argue that someone who says “macOS sucks big time” but likes their hardware has an “unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple”? If anything, it seems to show a pragmatic relationship (that whatever you like/need from each).

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by Lammy »

einsteinx2 wrote: post #12
ForHackernews wrote: post #8

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We're witnessing the end of the IBM PC-compatible era, and maybe more ominously of general-purpose personal computing. The future looks like custom chipsets with signed bootloaders that only run signed OEM applications. You will not have root on any of the devices you nominally own.

The tide does seem to be turning that way, though I do think it will be possible to buy general purpose computers for the foreseeable future. Also as a minor counter point, the only reason Asahi is even possible is that Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips. They certainly could have locked them down just like they did the iPhone and iPad, but they didn't. Th…

> Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips

Is it possible to buy a compatible M-whatever Mac and install Linux on it without network access, without it phoning home to Apple for permission?

Sincere question since I have only used one Apple Silicon Mac ever, and it was a work machine so I never tried Asahi on it. I am curious about the privacy implications of non-macOS support.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by mort96 »

tomnipotent wrote: post #149
mort96 wrote: post #120

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They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

So in other words you've got nothing? There is literally nothing in your links that backs up your claims. So conferences in every western country should also not invite Chinese or Japanese speakers because they hold similar views to DHH? I'm so over this exhausting need to feel self-righteous.

Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by mort96 »

rowanG077 wrote: post #143
mort96 wrote: post #92

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You should look into the political views of Omarchy's creator and sole developer, DHH

That's the dev not the project. Quickly looking over Omarchy I see nothing aligned with the political right. Could you link it to me?

The developer is the project.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by jcalvinowens »

pankalog wrote: post #121
jcalvinowens wrote: post #79

I don't understand the obsession with the new apple hardware. How is it worth this much trouble? My XPS13 works perfectly with Linux straight out of the box for half the price... and never in my entire life have I needed more than the eight hours of battery life it reliably delivers for me. I do most of my work over SSH on big metal machines, maybe that's the disconnect? But seriously, there are few things in the wor…

> I do most of my work over SSH on big metal machines, maybe that's the disconnect? Yeah, I believe that's where the disconnect is. I moved from a Thinkpad to the 16in Macbook Pro with the M3 Pro chip, and I am able to reliably build and write code that runs locally on 5 different Docker containers, for at least 10 hours. I once did a 48hr hackathon with this laptop and I only had to charge it I think 4 or 5 times. I…

It's not that I actually write code over SSH (I usually work with wifi disabled), more that I just push things to big machines for building and testing them, rather than doing that locally. My pair of 32-thread Ryzen machines are worth their weight in gold for the amount they juice my productivity. No laptop can ever touch that, for obvious physics reasons.

I can do everything you're describing with my XPS13. I regularly go days without plugging it in.

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