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Re: Roc Camera

#151
I like the spirit of this, but not the implementation. It feels very performative to create a ZK proof to show that a photo is real. And not really in the spirit of capturing magic moments on film.

I think that a disposable camera, or even something fancier, like a Mamiya C330, are better and more gratifying bets for the money.

Re: Roc Camera

#152

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I also used to be really (really really) into photography. Personally, I’ve stopped taking pictures because of the stigma around a camera. Everyone, me more than most, doesn’t want their picture taken, or to be in the background of other photos. When someone can take thousands of pictures an hour, and upload them all to some social media site to be permanently stored… idk it’s shifted from a way to capture a moment t…

Can't you just not care and power through? Someones always going to be miffed regardless. I keep a Rollei A110 on me at all times and a tiny Minox EC that takes me hours to refill. When I bring it out people love it. It's a throwback that people very much appreciate. I can see people getting miffed at a big digital camera though.

I have an entry level Sony Alpha that I picked up for a vacation earlier this year. With the portrait lens on there it definitely registers as “camera” far more than a phone. Between that factor and the hassle of having to manually go through and upload the photos afterward, I only take it on special occasions — trips, hikes, etc. It’s not worth all that hassle for trying to get day to day stuff.

Re: Roc Camera

#153

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If someone cared enough to spend money on this I think it would be an easy to medium difficulty project to use an FPGA and a CSI-2 IP to pretend to be the sensor. Good luck fixing that without baking a secure element into your sensor.

I'd be shocked if the major sensor vendors don't already have engineers working on exactly that, though.

Sony has this - https://authenticity.sony.net/camera/en-us/index.html

Re: Roc Camera

#154

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I also used to be really (really really) into photography. Personally, I’ve stopped taking pictures because of the stigma around a camera. Everyone, me more than most, doesn’t want their picture taken, or to be in the background of other photos. When someone can take thousands of pictures an hour, and upload them all to some social media site to be permanently stored… idk it’s shifted from a way to capture a moment t…

Can't you just not care and power through? Someones always going to be miffed regardless. I keep a Rollei A110 on me at all times and a tiny Minox EC that takes me hours to refill. When I bring it out people love it. It's a throwback that people very much appreciate. I can see people getting miffed at a big digital camera though.

Why do you think anyone is entitled to upload photographs showing other people to the internet where they are completely out of control of what happens next?

Re: Roc Camera

#155

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

> I was seeking the external gratification of getting likes just like everyone else.

“You will be happy to look okay. You will be happy to turn heads. You will be happy with smoother skin. You will be happy with a flat stomach. You will be happy with a six-pack. You will be happy with an eight-pack. You will be happy when every photo of yourself gets 10,000 likes on Instagram. You will be happy when you have transcended earthly woes. You will be happy when you are at one with the universe. You will be happy when you are the universe. You will be happy when you are a god. You will be happy when you are the god to rule all gods. You will be happy when you are Zeus. In the clouds above Mount Olympus, commanding the sky. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.”

― Matt Haig, Notes on a Nervous Planet , Shortened version of the many-paragraphs-long quote found on: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10913632-you-will-be-happy-...

Re: Roc Camera

#156
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From these pics it actually looks like a whole PI4 board is used https://farcaster.xyz/faust

Interesting. I'm curious why they would do that.

1. buy stuff for $50

2. 3d print a couple of cases for $10

3. repurpose highschool summer break crypto project .. free? (excluding time spent)

4. ???

5. profit from selling it for $400 a pop

Re: Roc Camera

#157

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There is absolutely a market for social media that bans AI slop. People in general don’t want the slop, but it’s seeping in everywhere with no easy way to mass remove. The problem with the linked product is it’s basically DRM with a baked in encryption key. And we have seen time and time again that with enough effort, it’s always been possible to extract that key.

Respectfully, I completely disagree. People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop, even if they point and say eww when it's discussed. Some people care, and some additional people pretend they care, but it just isn't a real issue that is driving behavior. Putting aside (for now) the idea of misinformation, slop is socially problematic when it puts artists out of work, but social media slop is just a new, sad…

"People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop"

I think this is true. In general I think enough population of the market actually does not care about quality as long as it exceeds a certain limited threshold.

There's always been market for sub-par product. That's one of the features of the market I think. You can always find what is the cheapest, lowest quality offering you can sell at a profit.

Re: Roc Camera

#159

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Respectfully, I completely disagree. People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop, even if they point and say eww when it's discussed. Some people care, and some additional people pretend they care, but it just isn't a real issue that is driving behavior. Putting aside (for now) the idea of misinformation, slop is socially problematic when it puts artists out of work, but social media slop is just a new, sad…

> People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop I fear, your statement is impossible to be denied its validity, when "Tung Tung Tung Sahur"-Trading-Cards and "Tralalero Tralala"-T-Shirts are a thing.

the majority of "Italian Brainrot" enjoyers are probably not old enough to be on social media regardless

Re: Roc Camera

#160
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I’m a photographer in my spare time; looks like this product isn’t about what images are being produced, or about the shooting experience - and this discourages me. When the goal is having a proof that the photo hasn’t been edited or ai generated, using an analog camera and shooting on film seems more practical to me than using a device like this.

Could an AI not be trained to emulate the look of analog film and its artifacts?

I meant that there is a proof of the photo being taken and a record of what the photo looked like before any edits (a photo negative).
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