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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #116
bilbo0s wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.

> The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. This argument can be made about almost every technology, including fire, electricity, and even the base "technology" of just letting a person watch a camera feed. I'm not downplaying the risks. I'm saying that we should remember that almost everything has risks and benefits, and as a society we decide for or against using/doing t…

> This argument can be made about almost every technology, including fire, electricity, and even the base "technology" of just letting a person watch a camera feed.

huh, i can think of at least one recent example of a popular figure using this kind of argument to extreme self-detriment.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by Zigurd »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #125
tartoran wrote: post #88

"“We understand how upsetting this was for the individual that was searched as well as the other students who witnessed the incident,” the principal wrote. “Our counselors will provide direct support to the students who were involved.”" Make them pay money for false positives instead of direct support and counselling. This technology is not ready for production, it should be in a lab not in public buildings such as s…

> Make them pay money for false positives instead of direct support and counselling. Agreed. > This technology is not ready for production No one wants stuff like this to happen, but nearly all technologies have risks. I don't consider that a single false positive outweighs all of its benefits; it would depend on the rates of false and true positives, and the (subjective) value of each (both high in this case, though…

In the US cops kill more people than terrorists. As long as you quantifying values take that into account.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by evanelias »

ggreer wrote: post #129
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #87

He could have been easily murdered. It's not the first time by a far margin that a bunch of overzealous cops murder a kid. I would never ever in my life set foot in a place that sends me armed cops so easily. That school is extremely dangerous.

I think the reason the school bought this silly software is because it's a dangerous school, and they're grasping at straws to try and fix the problem. The day after this false positive, a student was robbed.[1] Last month, a softball coach was charged with rape and possession of child pornography.[2] Last summer, one student was stabbed while getting off the bus.[3] Last year, there were two incidents where classmat…

That certainly sounds bad, but it's all relative; keep in mind this school is in Baltimore County, which is distinct from the City of Baltimore and has a much different crime profile. This school is in the exact same town as Eastern Tech, literally the top high school in Maryland.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by Zigurd »

wat10000 wrote: post #104
ggreer wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a news article[1], a human did review the video/image and flagged it as a false positive. It was the principal who told the school cop, who then called other cops: > The Department of School Safety and Security quickly reviewed and canceled the initial alert after confirming there was no weapon. I contacted our school resource officer (SRO) and reported the matter to him, and he contacted the local preci…

Sounds like a "better safe than sorry" approach. If you ignore the alert on the basis that it's a false positive, then it turns out it really was a gun and the person shoots somebody, you're going to get sued into the ground, fired, name plastered all over the media, etc. On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine.

Ask a black teenager about being fine.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by [deleted] »

bilbo0s wrote: post #100
neilv wrote: post #91

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…

>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.

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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by hinkley »

walkabout wrote: post #16
proee wrote: post #7

Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…

I already adjust my clothing choices when flying to account for TSA's security theater make-work bullshit. Wonder how long before I'm doing that when preparing to go to other public places. (I suppose if I attended pro sports games or large concerts, I'd be doing it for those, too)

I was getting pulled out of line in the 90’s for having long hair. I don’t dress in shitty clothes or fancy ones, I didn’t look funny, just the hair, which got regular compliments from women.

I started looking at people trying to decide who looked juicy to the security folks and getting in line behind them. They can’t harass two people in rapid succession. Or at least not back then.

The one I felt most guilty about, much later, was a filipino woman with a Philippine passport. Traveling alone. Flying to Asia (super suspect!). I don’t know why I thought they would tag her, but they did. I don’t fly well and more stress just escalates things, so anything that makes my day tiny bit less shitty and isn’t rude I’m going to do. But probably her day would have been better for not getting searched than mine was.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by mrguyorama »

walkabout wrote: post #11
duxup wrote: post #3

>Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It's ok everyone, you're safer now that police are pointing a gun at you, because of a bag of chips ... just to be safe. /s Absolutely ridiculous. We're living "computer said you did it, prove otherwise, at gunpoint".

We got our cyberpunk future, except none of it's cool and everything's extremely stupid.

If any of you had actually paid attention to the source media, you would have noticed that they were explicitly dystopias. They were always clearly and explicitly hell for normal people trying to live life.

Meanwhile, tons of you watched star trek and apparently learned(?) that the "bright future" it promised us was.... talking computers? And not, you know, post scarcity and enlightenment that allowed people to focus on things that brought them joy or they were good at, and an entire elimination of the concept of "capitalism" or personal profit or resource disparity that could allow people to not be able to afford something while some asshole in the right place at the right time gets to take a percentage cut of the entire economy for their personal use.

The primary "technology" of star trek was socialism lol.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by joomla199 »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #77
mentalgear wrote: post #18

Ah, the coming age of Palantir's all seeing platform; and Peter Thiel becoming the shadow Emperor. Too bad non-deterministic ml systems are prone to errors that risk lives when applied wrongly to crucial parts of society. But in an authoritarian state, those will be hidden away anyway, so there's nothing to see here: move along folks. Yes, surveillance and authoritarianism go hand in hand, ask China. It's important t…

I might be missing something but I don' think this article isn't about palantir or any of their products

This comment has a double negative, which makes it a false positive.
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