This isn't a money making venture for them, and you basically admitted as much. They poured no doubt massive amounts of money into developing this and have little hope of earning it back soon. This is an attempt to keep up with other ai companies also developing video models in order to not look behind to investors. Making it available to users is similarly about increasing active user counts in order to look more successful. If people incidentally get off to it that's not their concern
Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree with any points you made, but I do find it interesting you refused a prompt to imagine a better future, articulate your wants, and practice optimism. That's your choice, but a telling one.
It's really hard to imagine how "truth is harder to find, more people lie with impunity, and convince others that their lies are true" could have a positive outcome. Moreover, I think it's really hard overall to imagine a better future as long as all of this technology and power is in the hands of massively wealthy people who have shown their willingness to abuse it to maintain that wealth at our expense. The optimis…
There is a concept in racing when taking a corner to "keep your eyes off the wall", and instead look where you want the car to go.
Imo the most scary part of the problems we face isn't what you or GP are talking about, it's everyone else's reactions to them. The staring at the wall while screaming or giving up, and refusing to look where you want to go.
It's harder to satisfy our wants if we cant articulate them.
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#153OpenAI is making a wild number of product plays at once, trying to leverage the value of the frontier model, brand value, and massive number of eyeballs they own. Sora is just one of many. Some will fail and maybe some will succeed. It seems true that no company has used frontier models to create a product with business value commensurate with the cost it takes to train and run them. That what OpenAI is trying to do…
Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really hard to imagine how "truth is harder to find, more people lie with impunity, and convince others that their lies are true" could have a positive outcome. Moreover, I think it's really hard overall to imagine a better future as long as all of this technology and power is in the hands of massively wealthy people who have shown their willingness to abuse it to maintain that wealth at our expense. The optimis…
Yes, but, overwhelmingly we go where we look. Usually what is meaningful and worthwhile is hard. Also we get better at hard things when we practice doing them. There is a concept in racing when taking a corner to "keep your eyes off the wall", and instead look where you want the car to go. Imo the most scary part of the problems we face isn't what you or GP are talking about, it's everyone else's reactions to them. T…
But there's a huge difference between (a) "given that this thing exists that seems very bad, can you imagine a way to a better future?" and (b) "can you imagine ways that this thing that seems very bad could actually be very good?"
The ways to a better future are in spite of these developments, not because of them, and I don't think it's at all helpful to act like that's not the case or be all disappointed (and, frankly, a bit condescending) at people who refuse to play along with attempts to do so.
And it's possible that (a) above is what you meant, but your wording very much sounded like (b).
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#155Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that we're already post truth. Just consider how a screenshot of a tweet or made-up headline already spreads like a wildfire: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980221072512635117 Sora involves far more work than what is required to spread misinfo. Finally, people don't really care about the truth. They care about things that confirm their world view, or comfortable things. Or they dismiss things that are…
Oh well, I’ll put it out there. If people cared about verified provable truths, religion of any kind wouldn’t exist.
Can you provide a verified proof of this statement please?
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh well, I’ll put it out there. If people cared about verified provable truths, religion of any kind wouldn’t exist.
> If people cared about verified provable truths, religion of any kind wouldn’t exist. Can you provide a verified proof of this statement please?
Then fast forward to a man being born from a virgin that rose from the dead three days after being crucified.
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#158Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?
#159Was a mistake from the beginning to use language as the basis for tokens and embedded spaces between them to generate semantics. It wasn't thought out, it was a snowball trial and error that went out of control.
Lol ok. We'll wait for your game changing technology, keep us posted.
I'd suggest comp sci caught the low fruit, whatever comes out of thekeyboard as a basis, non too smart.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but, overwhelmingly we go where we look. Usually what is meaningful and worthwhile is hard. Also we get better at hard things when we practice doing them. There is a concept in racing when taking a corner to "keep your eyes off the wall", and instead look where you want the car to go. Imo the most scary part of the problems we face isn't what you or GP are talking about, it's everyone else's reactions to them. T…
Well, sure—and I am, in general, a very positive person. But there's a huge difference between (a) "given that this thing exists that seems very bad, can you imagine a way to a better future?" and (b) "can you imagine ways that this thing that seems very bad could actually be very good?" The ways to a better future are in spite of these developments, not because of them, and I don't think it's at all helpful to act l…
What I find curious is that no one has really engaged with any of these questions yet. Not even to reflect personally on why. That’s not a criticism, it’s an observation. I think it’s worth asking what makes this kind of conversation so difficult.
When I said that declining to imagine a better future was telling, I didn’t mean it as a put-down. I meant it as a challenge. Because when we stop trying to define what better looks like, we give up our power to those who will define it for us. History shows where that leads. That’s how authoritarianism takes root; not only through force, but through the quiet surrender of imagination and personal responsibility.
If my earlier tone came across as condescending, that wasn’t my intent. My intention is tough love. I believe that acknowledging problems matters, but it’s not enough. If we stop there, we trade agency for frustration. I’d rather see us wrestle with what we want, even if it’s hard, than resign ourselves to cynicism.
So I’ll ask again: what kind of future would you actually want?
EDIT: I just realized that I missed part of an answer in your earlier comment, which I commend you for now. I apologize for not recognizing it before.
You said:
The optimistic future effectively requires some means of reclaiming some of that power and wealth for the rest of us.
Kudos. That's a start.