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Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by scott_w »

epolanski wrote: post #85
univalent wrote: post #79

Kramnik should be held accountable for making Danya's life hell the past year. Not blaming him for what has happened but this bullying has to stop. It was clear to me and many others that he started attacking Danya because he was a "Russian boy" who did not defend him when Hikaru mocked Kramnik. I'm really upset now so maybe not making much sense.

If you're not blaming him, then you shouldn't hold him accountable. Kramnik has accused of online cheating virtually every grandmaster bar some of the top 10 and none in the community gives Kramnik much weight on this topic.

>> Kramnik should be held accountable for making Danya's life hell the past year

OP is not blaming him specifically for Danya's death. Irrespective of that, Kramnik is behaving like a total cunt and treated Danya like absolute shit for no reason beyond his own pathetic delusions.

Naroditsky isn't even the youngest person Kramnik has bullied: he's doxxed fucking children and accused them of cheating.

I watched Hikaru's YouTube video this morning and it's clear that Kramnik's accusations were getting to all of his victims. Naroditsky was giving Kramnik's opinion weight, whether he took his own life, or passed of other causes.

So yes, Kramnik needs to be shunned and frozen out of the chess world and any decent company for the way he's behaved.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by somenameforme »

somenameforme wrote: post #150
j4coh wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? I watched his videos and I never saw him say anything like what you’ve written.

On his Twitch streams this issue was constantly brought up. While the frequency of discussion was obviously highest around the time of the accusations, it was brought up in basically every single stream, all alongside the very visible decline of his overall 'wellness' over the past ~2 years. This [1] is from his final stream, and it's clear he was already at the breaking point. I feel most awful for his friend Bortny…

Yeah I just noticed even in that final stream he bemoans what the Kramnik stuff had done to him, or at least his perception of what it had done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=112JImX_cWM&t=8862s

And another point in the video where it gets quite dark: https://youtu.be/112JImX_cWM?t=2615

Such an awful thing to see such an amazing person melt away and ultimately leave this world. Literally about a week ago I was recommending him on here to people trying to learn chess. His ability to teach was unparalleled.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by hilux »

nurettin wrote: post #62

I will just say it out loud. Kramnik bullied him to death. And no, I won't "define bullying".

I loathe Kramnik and I am saddened and shaken by Danya's death. (We both played at the Mechanics Institute Chess Club.)

Having said all that, the prevailing wisdom in the suicide-prevention field is that we are each responsible for our own decisions. I.e. Kramnik, long may he suffer, is not "responsible."

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by hilux »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #136
gizajob wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hikaru’s fans made him take an IQ or intelligence test a couple of years ago and it showed he wasn’t exactly a mastermind. He said at the time something along the lines that being good at chess shows you are intelligent only in that one domain of chess-type thinking, not general intelligence.

I remember something related to that, but wasn't he trolling the complete thing?

If you've watched a lot of streams or interviews with Hikaru, he gives little indication of being a big brain. Or even an average brain.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by hilux »

rayiner wrote: post #118
Noaidi wrote: post #107

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Intelligence has been defined in many ways: the capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving. It can be described as the ability to perceive or infer information and to retain it as knowledge to be applied to adaptive behaviors within an environment or context. (from Wikipedia) Intelligence is mul…

Intelligence presents in different way, but they’re all correlated with each other. The idea that people can be intelligent in different things is mostly a myth: https://researched.org.uk/2018/09/26/myth-busting-gardners-m...

What makes this guy's blog post a more authoritative reference than 1000 other sites, as well as everyone's personal experience of feeling naturally "good" at some tasks and "bad" at others?

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by nurettin »

hilux wrote: post #153
nurettin wrote: post #62

I will just say it out loud. Kramnik bullied him to death. And no, I won't "define bullying".

I loathe Kramnik and I am saddened and shaken by Danya's death. (We both played at the Mechanics Institute Chess Club.) Having said all that, the prevailing wisdom in the suicide-prevention field is that we are each responsible for our own decisions. I.e. Kramnik, long may he suffer, is not "responsible."

I have no idea why you think online harassment brings no responsibility to perpetrators. During an exchange Kramnik said "you started it" so this is just out of pure spite.

Anyway I don't live in your kafkaesque reality and do not wish to.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by hilux »

nurettin wrote: post #156
hilux wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loathe Kramnik and I am saddened and shaken by Danya's death. (We both played at the Mechanics Institute Chess Club.) Having said all that, the prevailing wisdom in the suicide-prevention field is that we are each responsible for our own decisions. I.e. Kramnik, long may he suffer, is not "responsible."

I have no idea why you think online harassment brings no responsibility to perpetrators. During an exchange Kramnik said "you started it" so this is just out of pure spite. Anyway I don't live in your kafkaesque reality and do not wish to.

Maybe you should volunteer on the suicide hotline, as I did.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by nurettin »

hilux wrote: post #157
nurettin wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why you think online harassment brings no responsibility to perpetrators. During an exchange Kramnik said "you started it" so this is just out of pure spite. Anyway I don't live in your kafkaesque reality and do not wish to.

Maybe you should volunteer on the suicide hotline, as I did.

Maybe, but I'm not sure if I have the aptitude to do that, or if you should be ascribing that role randomly to strangers, or if that gives you any credibility. In most countries, continued harassment, defamation and disturbing peace is a crime. Apparently even in FIDE rules as Nihal pointed it out. So FIDE is pretty much a co-conspirer.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

hilux wrote: post #154
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember something related to that, but wasn't he trolling the complete thing?

If you've watched a lot of streams or interviews with Hikaru, he gives little indication of being a big brain. Or even an average brain.

I used to watch a lot of his streams/videos, but I always thought he was just not taking himself seriously, being entertaining, "memeing and trolling". I thought it was his strategy to do unfiltered ADHD thoughts even when they don't make any sense, because that's what brings him viewers.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by permo-w »

matltc wrote: post #105
retsibsi wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel weird doing a 'well actually' in a post about something so serious and sad, but it might be worth pointing this out to prevent someone from getting the wrong idea about their chess strength: the meaning of '1400 online' varies greatly depending on the site and the time control. According to https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/ , Chesscom blitz 500 = Lichess classical 1400, and chesscom blitz 1400 = liches…

Lichess defaults starting rating to 1400 I think so it's about -200 less than chess.com, which defaults to 1200. Also the player pool for the latter is much larger. Not sure if that has an impact on elo which is basically normalized across playerbase

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