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Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#151
What is an actual and solid reason to choose or stay AWS these days?

The topic of paying hefty amounts of money to AWS when other options are available has been discussed many times before.

My view of AWS is that you have bazillions of things that you might never use, need to learn about it, you are tied to a company across the Atlantic that can basically shut you down anytime they want for whatever reason and finally the cost.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#152
post #50

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> and a couple of hours later they had provisioned a new host for me with the same specs. To be fair, they probably would've done the same for me if I'd pushed the issue further, but after over a week of trying to diagnose the issue and convince them that it wasn't an problem with the hard drives (they said one of the drives was likely faulty and insisted on replacing it and having me resilver the zpool to see if it…

> but after over a week of trying to diagnose the issue and convince them that it wasn't an problem That sucks big time :( In the most recent case I can recall, I successfully got access, noticed weirdness, gathered data and sent an email, and had a new instance within 2-3 hours. Overall, based on comments here on HN and otherwhere, the quality and speed of support is really uneven.

> based on comments here on HN and otherwhere, the quality and speed of support is really uneven.

Can you name one tech company that's scaled passed the point where the founders are closely involved with support that has consistently good tech support? I think this is just really hard to get right, as many customers are not as knowledgeable as they think they are.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#153
I love how few comments on this and similar posts give much context along with their advice. Are you hosting a church newsletter in your spare time or a resource intensive web app with millions of paying enterprise customers and a dedicated dev ops team in 3 continents?

Any advice on price / performance / availability is meaningless unless you explain where you're coming from. The reason we see people overcomplicating everything to do with the web is that they follow advice from people with radically different requirements.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#154
post #117

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They're cheap, so I'd expect they get a substantially higher proportion of users who might think their account termination is unfair, but that were actually flouting the rules, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were a higher proportion of claims of unfair account termination... I've recommended Hetzner to people since 2008-2009, and know lots of people who use it, and I've never heard first-hand accounts of termina…

If you haven't read first-hand reports, then you haven't read all that much. If you search on Reddit, you may see many reports. It happened to me personally after I started using their CPU at nearly 100% for about two months. That's a report for you. They're cheap because they don't actually want people using what they're paying for. This is a theme that I have seen with German services. Speaking of their rules, thos…

Just curious: Was this a colo, dedicated server, managed server or VPS? And since you mention "CPU at nearly 100% for about two months", was this potentially crypto mining?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#155

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Yes, absolutely my fault. But these problems happen. Credit cards expire, people change companies or go on leaves, off boarding processes are not always perfect, spam filters exist. Add to that the declining experience of email with so much marketing and trash landing in the inbox (and sometimes Gmail categorizing important emails as "Updates") That's why grace periods for these situations are important. Who uses SMS…

How long after shutting you down did they delete your data? That period should definitely be longer than a few days.

Hetzner will almost immediately nuke your data if you miss a payment and often outright ban you and your business from ever using them again.

Hetzner is great for cheap personal sites but I would never use them for any serious business use-cases. Other than failed payments, Hetzner also has very strict content policies and they use user reports to find offenders. This means that if just a few users report your website, everything is deleted and you're banned with zero warning or support, whether the reports are actually true or not. (This also means you can never use Hetzner for anything that has user uploaded content, it doesn't matter if you actively remove offending material because if it ever reaches their servers you're already SOL.)

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#157
post #47

We’ve been seeing the same trend. Lots of teams moving to Hetzner for the price/performance, but then realizing they have to rebuild all the Postgres ops pieces (backups, failover, monitoring, etc.). We ended up building a managed Postgres that runs directly on Hetzner. Same setup, but with HA, backups, and PITR handled for you. It’s open-source, runs close to the metal, and avoids the egress/I/O gotchas you get on A…

This is one key draw to Big Cloud and especially PaaS and managed SQL for me (and dev teams I advise). Not having an ops background I am nervous about: * database backup+restore * applying security patches on time (at OS and runtime levels) * other security issues like making sure access to prod machines is restricted correctly, access is logged, ports are locked down, abnormal access patterns are detected * DoS and…

There must be SaaS services offering managed databases on different providers, like you buy the servers they put the software and host backups for you. Anyone got any tips?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#158

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#159

I cannot overstate the performance improvement of deploying onto bare metal. We typically see a doubling of performance, as well as extremely predictable baseline performance. This is down to several things: - Latency - having your own local network, rather than sharing some larger datacenter network fabric, gives around of order of magnitude reduced latency - Caches – right-sizing a deployment for the underlying har…

What is old is new again.

My employer is so conservative and slow that they are forerunning this Local Cloud Edge Our Basement thing by just not doing anything.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#160

This is pretty bad still, with colocation you can get the costs down to 1/100th with good deals at datacenters especially ones that are struggling to attract customers. Most of your bill is power so if you rack efficiency optimized servers you can have a lot of compute for very cheap. In terms of networking many offer no-headache solutions with some kind of transit blend. I recently had to switch away from hetzner du…

But when you are Colocating you have higher upfront costs as you need to acquire hardware and also need to have somebody nearby the datacenter for hardware swaps in case of a failure, no?

There's tonnes of companies out there who have smart remote hands in the major cities who can respond in sub 1hour to an outage at your choosen DC.

Refurb servers will still blast AWS, and spares are easy to source.

I know HE.net does a rack for like $500/mo intro price and that comes with a 1G internet feed as well.

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