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Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by coderatlarge »

ACCount37 wrote: post #120
PaulHoule wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are three problems with AVP: cost, cost and cost. It is priced to be a pack-in with seats of Dassault 3DEXPERIENCE, but Meta's experience has been that the VR consumer is price sensitive which is why they followed up the MQ3 with the cost-reduced MQ3S. I think Apple is looking at this the way they look at AirPods (something you stick in your ears to modify and augment your hearing) which is good and monitors, w…

On top of the three problems of any AR/VR tech: UX, UX and UX. I'm honestly not sure if Apple Vision would fare much better if they had a device that costs $100. Like, sure, they'll sell more units that way. But how many of those units would end up collecting dust?

i’m afraid i’ll look back and regret that i didn’t capture 3d memories of parents and grandparents when it was technically feasible because of a few dollars…

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by vunderba »

mrpippy wrote: post #44
DennisP wrote: post #23

I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

It can display an entire Mac desktop https://support.apple.com/en-us/118521

That's not what we want at all. I should be able to slap a "Sync" button while wearing the Vision and every single window/app currently running on my Macbook Pro should show up as a completely independent spatially manipulable display within the virtual environment. That way I still get all the power of my dedicated Mac with the freedom of VR.

Even before it came out, I naturally assumed it was going to be able to do this. Major flub IMHO. Well that and the completely superfluous frontfacing screen for your "virtual avatar". Because the Vision wasn't already expensive enough...

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by cjoelrun »

FumblingBear wrote: post #111

I won't be upgrading from the M2 model, but I still get a lot of value out of mine simply using the Mac Virtual Display with my Macbook Pro. Of course there are other benefits (gaming w/ ALVR and a PC, watching movies, reading comics) but it makes video editing workflows much nicer for me because I can set the resolution to ultrawide and have much more real estate for Davinci Resolve. It never really leaves the house…

Similar. I use this as a traveling external monitor. I have a face that works well without the face seal and with the old dual band: Counter weighted with the back of my head in a way that floats the headset over my nose/face. Going back to squeezing this onto my face like the old knit band seems like it would go backwards in comfort. How can anyone have this pressed against their face for 8+ hours?

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by AndroTux »

jsiepkes wrote: post #66

Since they only list France and Germany as EU countries I guess the rest of us in the EU are never going to get the Vision Pro? While I could get one from Germany, when I did that with the Google Pixel I ran into a whole bunch of trouble when it needed to get repaired. Since Google required an address in Germany.

I’m living in one of those irrelevant EU countries and am considering getting one from Germany. Do you know if this is going to cause issues when downloading apps from a non-German Apple account, etc.?

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Post by etchalon »

karmakaze wrote: post #109
noveltyaccount wrote: post #13

It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!

It seemed silly to me, but then I remembered how Apple works. Create something that you can't have. Oh an M5 chip in something I won't buy. It would be great if we had M5's in MacBooks -> want. Apple manufactures desire first before satisfying that created 'new' market. Last time I recall was the iPad Pro's even before they started getting useful as very few people buy these. Scarcity sells. The math isn't how many p…

They literally released the M5 MacBook today?

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Post by spogbiper »

stetrain wrote: post #143
kibwen wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows This is both true and completely irrelevant, because the point of the above comment is that Apple is not in the business of catering to this use case. Look at the annual revenues: $225 billion from iPhone/iPad, $100 billion from "services" (which Apple mostly characterizes as "app store stuff"), $40 billion from accessories (watch, airpods,…

You can't build iPhone or iPad apps on iPhones or iPads yet, so a decent chunk of that revenue currently relies on the Mac as well. Even without that, calling a $30B business an "insignificant historical afterthought" is a bit of an exaggeration, no?

This is by design of course. The only major platform that requires a specific minor platform from the same vendor to target, at least that I know of. Apple knows how to make money.

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Post by stetrain »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #125
stetrain wrote: post #77

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Weird, that description doesn't apply at all to my experiences as a developer using Macs for the last few years. Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows even for Microsoft tech like the dotnet stack.

I've used Macbooks for dev pretty much my whole career and I do think that they're some of the _best_ laptops available for dev. But the caveat to my statement is that _everything_ added to their ecosystem to business reasons is useless and counterproductive. For example I can plug my Android phone into a Windows machine (two different companies inb4 someone uses flawed logic) and it just works. If I plug my Android…

I enjoy high-dpi displays for dev and other productivity tasks. That one isn't just an annoying marketing gimmick.

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Post by stetrain »

spogbiper wrote: post #157
stetrain wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't build iPhone or iPad apps on iPhones or iPads yet, so a decent chunk of that revenue currently relies on the Mac as well. Even without that, calling a $30B business an "insignificant historical afterthought" is a bit of an exaggeration, no?

This is by design of course. The only major platform that requires a specific minor platform from the same vendor to target, at least that I know of. Apple knows how to make money.

Of course it's by design, and it's part of their business. Saying they aren't in that business isn't accurate.

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Post by coderatlarge »

abtinf wrote: post #97
tetrisgm wrote: post #82

I love my first gen Apple Vision Pro. I find that most of the criticism isn’t addressed at the product and technology, but at the price and Apple’s strategy. Price will go down in five years, once the tech mature la. For now this is a bit like how the Oculus DK1 was. An early device to explore what the overall vision is about, and figure out the apps.

What do you use it for? How often do you use it?

i want to capture 3d video of loved ones before they’re gone
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