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Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by Aloisius »

storus wrote: post #108
spookie wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really fail to see the difference between this and Russia's fine.

If your flight is redirected due to weather/etc. to some British commonwealth country, then you might be grabbed upon landing. Or if you are a really big fish, your plane might be forced to land on a crown-controlled land.

The only member of the Commonwealth that is British anymore is the UK and any of the independent countries in the Commonwealth grabbing a passenger on behalf of a civil judgement in a English court seems no more likely than any other random country doing so.

Even more unlikely is the crown exercising the kind of power you're talking about. Never mind that Charles isn't the King of the majority of Commonwealth countries.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by ben_w »

linuxftw wrote: post #41

Many people are saying this is symbolic and cannot be enforced. Unfortunately, that's just not true. Look at what happened to the founder of Telegram. Some jurisdiction decides you're violating their laws, all you need to do is catch a connecting flight or take a vacation on their soil or a place that will eagerly extradite, and you're a political prisoner. What happens if one of the officers of 4Chan or Gab is on a…

> The UK is a police state.

The UK is further from being a police state than the USA is.

And despite what Trump has been doing, both are nowhere near being that.

I mean, UK cops aren't even routinely given firearms… and the cops themselves don't want to change that.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by rob_c »

lm28469 wrote: post #65
rootsudo wrote: post #44

I was not aware of the main driver, not mentioned, sanctioned suicide even existing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide

Now that they banned discussing suicide online I'm sure the number of suicides will plummet.

be careful, did you fill in the correct form to be able to make that post?

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by KaiserPro »

andy_ppp wrote: post #95
aunty_helen wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan are the “think of the children” bad guys to make an example out of. This isn’t a play to get money or 4chan to comply, it’s a play to increase the strength of their legislation. So expect stronger blocking etc to be on the cards to prevent foreign entities from avoiding the law.

Yes the government have already talked about banning VPNs and government taking copies of your private keys :-/

Urgh, the courts already have the power to compel you to provide private keys.

It was for anti-terror, but now its being used on pricks like Yaxely-lenon, who Imagine will make much hay from it.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by subscribed »

deejaaymac wrote: post #75
toyg wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ofcom does what the government tells it to do. And the government does what people tell them to do. You underestimate the popular support for censorship laws in the UK - the country still had a legally-empowered "Board of Film Censors" in 2010...

My government doesn't seem to be listening to me, did you have yours professionally trained or something?

You just need to donate to the ruling party or pay for the lunch and then you're good.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/fujitsu-uk-sues-department-h...

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by ben_w »

pessimizer wrote: post #119

I'm not sure why they should care. Just banhammer the entire island. Everybody should. They can have their own independent internet, that conforms to UK laws. Let's see when HN will be fined, for advocacy of circumvention of local laws, or of strong encryption. Facebook banned all Canadian news outlets, and they were probably actually making a few bucks from them. I can't imagine that 4chan would care too much about…

> One of the rational reasons people are preferring nationalists is simply because they are less powerful than the neolibs, who all work together against their populations. Better a the dumb local boss you know than a being the local outpost of a faceless world boss.

If you think that's rational, you are wrong. Rationalising, sure, just not rational.

"Divide and conquer" is very much desired by those who want to control you, and thinking "a local authoritarian for local people" will (or even could) eject the influence of the outside world, is a false narrative.

Popular sentiment though, so may well get authoritarian parties some votes.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Post by KaiserPro »

rob_c wrote: post #149
foldr wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re overanalyzing it. They’re just enforcing the law. You and I may agree that it’s a bad law, but that doesn’t mean that the people in charge of enforcing it necessarily have complex and sinister motives.

no, ofcom don't need to be picking the fights they are, they're choosing to support the political arm under the claims of "hate speech" and "ungood bad think"

> they're choosing to support the political arm under the claims of "hate speech" and "ungood bad think"

I do wonder if you bother to actually read the stuff you are typing.

like have you _met_ anyone from ofcom? or seen the shit that 4chan routinely post?

4chan is literally the living embodiment of what the OSA was designed(and will probably fail) to stop. No moderation, loads of porn, incitement to violence

but to your point, `claims of "hate speech"` Ofcom have no mandate for hate speech. But then I imagine facts are less interesting than a daydream of cypherpunk rebellion.

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