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No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by keyringlight »

numpad0 wrote: post #104
Podrod wrote: post #36

I used to use Windows Backup with One Drive years ago but it just really pissed me off, especially with how My Documents is handled. There was that time I discovered several GB of screenshots had been automatically saved to My Pictures from some setting they snuck into the printscreen screen grab tool and then that of course those were automatically uploaded to the cloud. After disabling the option it would sometimes…

It enables in non-consensual manners, break apps and games(because paths change and APIs work differently), clings onto your files even if you tried to save them from the OneDrive folder, and throws a tantrum and irreversibly delete your files if you dare unlink the PC and disable it . I don't know why they commit to especially the last part. To me, it feels like that is why Microsoft's Windows efforts are getting a…

I think it's the curse of windows being attached to a tech company, and a tech company seems to want to keep pursuing cool things™ instead of boring maintenance on a utility. Over the years lots of little extra non-essential functionality has crept into windows to where you could almost compare it with a lightweight linux distro, or that it's hard to draw the line where the OS ends, and then you're getting into territory where everyone relies upon a different subset of what's available which MS has been increasingly able to use to justify adding more 'essential' features for modern computing.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by crazygringo »

nomilk wrote: post #94
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #48

Hope the PM in charge with the scammy copy designed to trick people into turning this on is happy with the boost in free users falling for it. My dad turned it on not knowing what it meant and it completely messed up his workflows and now I have to figure out how to safely disable it and move his files back. I will remember Microsoft causing this problem for him every time I think of or get asked if someone should us…

This work is 10x more effort than it sounds too due to how severely mistakes are penalised (i.e. unrecoverable files), necessitating extreme caution. When uploading 10k photos from macOS to Google Cloud using the Google Cloud macOS app, it said syncing had completed about 2 hours earlier than my back-of-the-envelope calculations predicted. "Great", I thought, but was still a bit suspicious, so just in case, before de…

Honestly, the Google Drive for Desktop app was extremely reliable when Google was managing the files.

Then when macOS provided native support for cloud filesystems, it migrated to that. And it's been a complete mess. Uploads often don't get triggered until you restart the system, exactly what you're describing.

I'm pretty sure they're Apple macOS bugs, not Google ones. Because those kinds of bugs are constant across everything iCloud and Mac, but I don't generally see them on Google-only stuff.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by brooke2k »

Alupis wrote: post #138
tsycho wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason I use Windows is for playing some old games (primarily Age of Empires II: DE) that only work well on Windows. In the AoE2 case, I also need CaptureAge that only works on Windows. The point is that even though I have 95% de-Microsoftized my life for the past 2 decades, I still need to run Windows for a few specific flows, and I run into the same issues as the article author here.

AoE2 runs great on Linux[1] [1] https://www.protondb.com/app/813780

CaptureAge does not, however.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by pndy »

creato wrote: post #91
GeekyBear wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple forces users to use an online account to access their local Mac, and disables their OS unless they turn on iCloud on their Mac -- then you can claim equivalence between them.

I literally just got my first Mac computer a few months ago. I tried to set it up as a local account with no online account. I could not. Maybe it is possible and I just missed it. But either they don't allow it, or they have enough dark pattern bullshit to trick me, either way, it's the same as windows to me.

I'm pretty sure there was some keyboard shortcut to skip apple id login/creation during initial setup - not sure if that's still possible nowadays but I did used it once on my mbp few years ago

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by buybackoff »

I wonder if most complaints are about pre-installed OEM Windows Home (the one with Candy Crush and 10s of other crap, including from a vendor) and bundled crappy cut-off OneDrive? I have Windows Pro and Office 365 Family option (5 accounts, full Office and 1TB OneDrive each). Most user-hidden Windows settings are in Group Policy Editor, or registry still works. OneDrive proper has toggles for every folder (Desktop, Documents, Puctures) discussed in the post.

After I lost 8 months of photos with a phone ~10 years ago, being sure it was all backed to Google Photos, I would rather trust Microsoft, than risk losing data, and now backup to both clouds. The paid Office+OneDrive is great value.

It just works. Yes, defaults are annoying, but could be changed. I recently enabled a blocked-by-default outgoing firewall, and I have much more questions to JetBrains Rider trying to ignore my system DNS setting and so to bypass Pi-Hole multiple times per minute, than to Microsoft.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by 9x39 »

nolist_policy wrote: post #97
Podrod wrote: post #36

I used to use Windows Backup with One Drive years ago but it just really pissed me off, especially with how My Documents is handled. There was that time I discovered several GB of screenshots had been automatically saved to My Pictures from some setting they snuck into the printscreen screen grab tool and then that of course those were automatically uploaded to the cloud. After disabling the option it would sometimes…

It's interesting how ChromeOS respects your choices more than Windows here. There is a setting to disable Google Drive and it just works. It won't auto-enable, no popups or nags or anything. Even Google Docs/Workspace falls back to a trimmed down offline version.

The PMs can't start out being aggressive, though, that comes after dominating the market, right? ChromeOS and Google Drive are generally good products which are probably so as to get penetration and stickiness.

Perhaps Gmail is a better example to see the incumbent acting as it wishes, enabling and disabling features without worry about the end user's POV.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by NexRebular »

PhilippGille wrote: post #78
brushfoot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My main reasons for using Windows right now are: - Davinci Resolve - Adobe suite - AutoHotkey scripts, lots of them - Microsoft Office, mainly PowerPoint, Excel and Word for creating and interacting with other companies' docs. Libre/OpenOffice mangled them/were missing features I depend on - Issues with my laptop's Nvidia card (screen tearing etc.) last time I tried to switch, and rabbit holes that I don't have time…

Davinci Resolve has official support for Linux

...and unofficial support for FreeBSD

https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/davinci-resolve-freebsd-ja...

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by bonoboTP »

smileson2 wrote: post #139
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #48

Hope the PM in charge with the scammy copy designed to trick people into turning this on is happy with the boost in free users falling for it. My dad turned it on not knowing what it meant and it completely messed up his workflows and now I have to figure out how to safely disable it and move his files back. I will remember Microsoft causing this problem for him every time I think of or get asked if someone should us…

Face the facts your dad isn't as important as KPIs tied to one drive and 365 subscription numbers, don't blame the PM for making Microsoft money lol It's not even something you have to "fix" just pay and enjoy

It seems that after the 90s/00s MS hate, there was a period where MS was seen as the good guys, and "this isn't the same MS" etc. Seems to be turning around again.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by lutusp »

> "What if I just don't want OneDrive? Microsoft has embedded it so deep into Windows that there are no easy ways of getting rid of it."

This is not so, at least for the present. In current Windows releases, go to "Control Panel," then "Programs and Features", then select and uninstall OneDrive. If it's not installed, it cannot run.

Before you do this, make sure you have moved all your files from OneDrive to your local storage devices.

In the future, Microsoft will doubtless make OneDrive mandatory, along with requiring everyone to have a Microsoft account and watch their ads 24/7. But there's a remedy for that too -- install Linux. "Yet another European government is ditching Microsoft for Linux" : https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-german-state-schleswig-hol...

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by a123b456c »

yehat wrote: post #110
Esophagus4 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having run Linux every day, I can say we’re in trouble if that is the reliable option :) (Agree that Liquid Glass is miserable, though.)

Seriously, such remarks add nothing except exposing intended bias. In other words that's called a trolling.

I would call it a constructive contrarian claim, quite distinct from trolling.
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