Regarding the Compact

Post by pastel8739 » Sat, Oct 11, 2025, 1:44 AM UTC

laidoffamazon wrote: post #144

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Have you ever met undergrads from these schools? This as far from my experience as you could get.

Yes. I live in a city with two Ivy+ institutions and graduates from many more. They're all the same, except some are better at faking it than others. And why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they think people like me are lazy and genetically predisposed to be stupid? I didn't make $500k out of undergrad. HRT or OpenAI isn't going to recruit me anytime soon. My net worth isn't $12m at 29, it's a tenth that. Whenever I ask…

Post by laidoffamazon » Sat, Oct 11, 2025, 1:50 AM UTC

pastel8739 wrote: post #151

laidoffamazon wrote: post #144

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Yes. I live in a city with two Ivy+ institutions and graduates from many more. They're all the same, except some are better at faking it than others. And why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they think people like me are lazy and genetically predisposed to be stupid? I didn't make $500k out of undergrad. HRT or OpenAI isn't going to recruit me anytime soon. My net worth isn't $12m at 29, it's a tenth that. Whenever I ask…

> My net worth isn't $12m at 29, it's a tenth that This honestly reads like you are just bragging about how successful you are. I think you know this, but if you made $150k at 22 and have a net worth of $1M at 29, you are far more monetarily successful than the vast, vast majority of the country. I’m pretty sure you are rage baiting, which doesn’t belong on HN, but if not you are seriously out of touch and not gratef…

Post by AvAn12 » Sat, Oct 11, 2025, 2:13 AM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #72

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Try considering the opposite situation. Suppose Biden or Obama sent a mandate to universities making unilateral and ideologically-motivated demands of their curriculum, policies, and practices. Everyone cool with that scenario? Or, does each new presidential administration get to impose their will on institutions of higher learning? What would that be like?

There was an Obama "Dear Colleague" letter (actually, 3 of them) that I think at least partially qualify as unilateral and ideologically motivated. Yes, every new administration can attempt to impose their will on institutions of higher learning (so long as the administration has some sort of leverage, like funding or legal threats). The wise administrations limit their imposition, preferring to allow academia to enj…

Post by runako » Sat, Oct 11, 2025, 3:12 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #145

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I mean, you're obviously right about this all. Which is why it's an easy decision. MIT chooses independence and so cannot agree to these terms. Separately, there is the question of whether it is in the best interest of the US to part ways with organizations such as MIT. > MIT is taking (lots of) money from federal government Surely nobody is naive enough to think the federal government is giving money to institutions…

> It is possible to be independent while also accepting grants from the USG. There's no contradiction there. The point of independence is that the Institute gets to determine how it runs its affairs. That hasn't been true for many decades. Accepting grants means being subject to a host of legal requirements tied to various different pieces of civil rights legislation.

Post by fedsocpuppet » Sat, Oct 11, 2025, 3:16 AM UTC

laidoffamazon wrote: post #154

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I am nearly sure that you are not arguing in good faith, but just the fact that you think all elite school grads make $500k shows that you have not talked to a nearly representative sample. I went to an elite school and have friends that make much less even than $150k. Are you aware that there is an entire parallel world beneath you with zero privilege or respect that make $40k instead of $150k? I’m not sure why you…

> I went to an elite school and have friends that make much less even than $150k. They're doing so by choice to do PhDs or go into public service. They (as in, the ones in quantitative majors and many even outside of it) _also_ had the choice to make several multiples of what I made by working at Jane Street or HRT or Citadel or now OpenAI and Anthropic. I didn't have the choice. Nobody is selecting me for anything,…