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Study of 1M-year-old skull points to earlier origins of modern humans

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Re: Study of 1M-year-old skull points to earlier origins of modern humans

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I'm curious why humans evolved intelligence and chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans did not.

A curious-er question to me would be how did cephalopods (octopuses, cuttlefish) develop sophisticated intelligence a few hundred million years before ‘we’ did separately from us?

And they still are alongside us right now. Which to me is fascinating.

Re: Study of 1M-year-old skull points to earlier origins of modern humans

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Wouldn't the first ones always wonder that?

This led me on a tangent that eventually took me to this line on Wikipedia: “Humans have visited the Moon and sent human-made spacecraft to other celestial bodies, becoming the first known species to do so.” How would we know if we’re the first known anything? You don’t know what you don’t know, as they say.

Ah, I meant on our planet. Of course, we wouldn't wonder if it's evident that there is aliens (other intelligent life from another object) at a similar time as when we evolve this level of intelligence. This would be far before we can make technological means to rule out intelligent life on nearby celestial objects, or someone would probably have come up with the question why we don't talk with (the equivalent of) apes and dolphins and such. The other intelligent life would have to be either among us, or visible from where we live (mountains, ocean surface, idk) with whatever we have for senses (like eyesight good enough to observe structures in orbit that are clearly not natural, as an example)

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#153
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chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans evolved intelligence too. They are smarter than most other critters in the jungle. Just all not as much as the lineage that leads to humans. It's actually quite difficult to define human intelligence. Every time we think we find something unique by humans eventually some animal turns up that can do it too. It may be all just a question of degree and how it's used.

Are there any other animals that have a system of writing?

The interesting part is how do you research that.

Starting from what should be considered "writing" to how to identify specific artifacts as abstract words.

Some researchers spend years in the forest studying one animal to isolate one single word they're speaking. Understanding other kind of intelligences is a crazy complex task.

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#154

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Then come with proof or some shred of evidence, rather than asking an unsubstantiated question that undermines the scientific process unnecessarily by trying to insert doubt from a place of zero expertise in the field.

I think they call this the appeal to authority fallacy, it’s the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first, then the holes start glowing after they get hand waved away by smug narrow-minded experts.

> the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first

No they don't. That never happens. Would you expect someone who knows nothing about programming to identify flaws in a computer language?

Of course not. You expect it will be people who actually understand the field that can identify issues.

Re: Study of 1M-year-old skull points to earlier origins of modern humans

#155

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Please don't start nationalistic flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

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you might well be right in most of this, but how do you get from OOA to "black Africans are more primitive"? isn't the same nonsense debunked every time with "all living species are equally modern in that they share common ancestors, they didn't descend from one another"?

Maybe I missed the mark, but the point is that just because China makes a claim does not mean it should be automatically dismissed because they have a supposed superiority complex. I mean there are many on this planet who have superiority complexes, and far more consequential and imposing ones at that...by far...but that does not mean we should/can just dismiss what comes out of China. Test it, challenge it in a trul…

that seems unconnected to what I wrote?

(I agree with it, just seems like a non-sequitur...)

Re: Study of 1M-year-old skull points to earlier origins of modern humans

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Always worth asking how much these reconstructions reflect reality vs the assumptions built into the models

If a thought like this has occurred to you, a dilettante, after reading a headline and/or cursorily glancing over the article, then you should assume that a study conducted by people with substantial academic training and deep expertise in the field have also had this thought and incorporated it into how they perform their analysis. Drive-by anti-intellectualism like this is the death of interesting conversation, tru…

> then you should assume that a study conducted by people with substantial academic training and deep expertise in the field have also had this thought and incorporated it into how they perform their analysis.

You should sit in some academic meetings and paper drafting e-mail chains! There’s a degree of believing the best in people but in my experience that can unfortunately be misplaced in science.

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If a thought like this has occurred to you, a dilettante, after reading a headline and/or cursorily glancing over the article, then you should assume that a study conducted by people with substantial academic training and deep expertise in the field have also had this thought and incorporated it into how they perform their analysis. Drive-by anti-intellectualism like this is the death of interesting conversation, tru…

In an ideal world, you would be right. In this world, I just read a study (that passed peer review), where they took per-capita data from a district with 100 people, data from a district with 50.000 people, averaged them without weighing by number of people, then presented the result as the per-capita average for all districts. That is when they're not outright fabricating data, and having their colleagues cover for…

I reviewed a paper recently that gave an incorrect definition for one of Maxwell’s equations and then proceeded to use it incorrectly. It got moved to a lower ranked journal rather than rejected outright. That wasn’t the only problem either, half the text was clearly AI generated.
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