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ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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> much easier for Obama to do it because there were not throngs of protesters trying to stop his ICE officers Yes there were [1][2]. New York City Council members were arrested [3]. Obama's ICE was simply more focussed on detaining and deterring illegal immigrants because immigration was a political liability for him. For Trump, efficiacy isn't as important as messaging. [1] https://www.voanews.com/a/barack-obama-imm…

Assumed political liability.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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> bring their own ill-fitting gear and jump out of U-hauls ICE ran a 5AM motorcade through my mountain town, compete with helicopter escort. We’re in a red state, though, and border a red farm state, so I understand they were actually told to knock it off. > "Wannabe paramilitary", final offer The only part of a definition [1] that ICE might fail is in whether they’re professionally designated to act as a secret poli…

I'm unfamiliar with the business of finding illegal immigrants. Isn't the idea of detaining them that you're worried they might flee if they know they're going to be deported? If so isn't it counterproductive for ICE to make noise (announcing themselves basically) if doing a 5am raid for farm workers? You'd think showing up at the field in a separate bus and spreading out would work best.

The cruelty is the point. They want to hurt people.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Likely cataloging IMSIs and IMEIs which would not constitute a wiretap. I know from experience these circles are concerned about roving protestors and agitators.

These sort of metrics can also be used with commercially available RTB data if and when cases go to court. I'm about 90% certain they ARE NOT intercepting phone calls and I'm 80% certain they're not intercepting sms

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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If you mean we created an environment where people could come and find success and live their lives, and we perhaps weren’t as strict as we could’ve been in some situations… I don’t think that violently kidnapping people off the streets, without showing badges, in unmarked vehicles, masked, etc is a punishment that fits the crime. Missing a court date once multiple years ago, failing to navigate a complex process, an…

"due process" means "This is the process the government must follow" and is not shorthand for "You are allowed to appeal to the USSC". I think most people would be surprised how little process is owed to someone who is not legally present in the United States and how few opportunities there are for appeal.

These people are shuffled around the country without their lawyers being informed and are “lost” in the system for long stretches of time without representation.

This means they can’t prove if they are here legally or not.

Furthermore, the administration wants to end birthright citizenship, which they will no doubt aim to make retroactive. Not being able to prove citizenship or status means (according to you) that you have no rights. anybody born here or otherwise will subject to this process and unable to prove their citizenship.

And again, the treatment these people are receiving is absolutely heinous, especially considering that they’ve not been charged with or found guilty of a violent crime.

I’m not sure about specific rules around who can appeal to the Supreme Court, nor am I sure why such an appeal has been mentioned… but once people on American soil lose basic rights we all do. All it takes is being ACCUSED of the right non-violent crime and then you have absolutely zero rights and are treated like an animal.

We should be better than this even if the law doesn’t say we have to be (which it does). If folks are here illegally and subject to deportation, prove it. Don’t hide them in the system and deprive them of representation.

I’m not sure what an undocumented (or documented but missing some arbitrary checkbox) person did to you but I can assure you it doesn’t mean that person or others should be subjected to this treatment in a civilized society.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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The 14th amendment: "prohibits states from denying any person "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"" The US constitution applies to all persons (people) inside of the USA regardless of citizenship. The amendment says PERSON, not CITIZEN. Therefore it should not matter at all how that person got here, they are due the same rights and process as __anyone__ else on American soil. That is the 14th amen…

Being deported isn't legally deprivation of "life, liberty, or property." Deportation is not a punishment and is entirely avoidable in 99% of cases: don't overstay or enter illegally.

I always forget websters definition of punishment is “violent masked unidentified government sanctioned gangs roaming the streets and violently apprehending people”

That’s such a great point. Deportation is supposed to be incredibly violent because it’s a punishment. I’m jotting that one down since it’s certainly not written in any laws. I don’t wanna forget.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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If you're running an Android phone open settings > Network & Internet > Internet > click on your network (e.g. Google Fi) > turn on 2G network protection (at the bottom). Alternatively: Security & privacy > Advanced Protection > Device protection. That does other stuff too though I'm not aware of a way to do this on iPhones... I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that many of these attacks work by performing 2G…

Is there a reason why Google and Apple wouldn't turn 2G downgrade off by default? Even the setting itself says "emergency calls over 2G are still allowed" so what is the reasoning behind leaving people exposed to this?

This is totally speculative but I bet 2G is more reliable and has longer range. If your reception is bad, it may be necessary to downgrade to get any connection at all.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Likely cataloging IMSIs and IMEIs which would not constitute a wiretap. I know from experience these circles are concerned about roving protestors and agitators. These sort of metrics can also be used with commercially available RTB data if and when cases go to court. I'm about 90% certain they ARE NOT intercepting phone calls and I'm 80% certain they're not intercepting sms

yes, ICE strike me as deeply and sincerely concerned about both agitators and bringing robust cases to courts :)

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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But, isn't intercepting communications using a fake cell tower a wiretap?

Of course it is. But good luck proving how they got the information.

Assuming there is even a venue where evidence would be provided for the purpose of being looked at

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Why aren't they using the official lawful interception interfaces? They will get all the data. Not only voice, data and SMS/RCS. All modern smartphones (like Pixels) allow you to switch off 2G. They even warn if you want to activate it.

Another possibility not mentioned here is simply demonstrating that they can get away with not doing so.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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If you're running an Android phone open settings > Network & Internet > Internet > click on your network (e.g. Google Fi) > turn on 2G network protection (at the bottom). Alternatively: Security & privacy > Advanced Protection > Device protection. That does other stuff too though I'm not aware of a way to do this on iPhones... I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that many of these attacks work by performing 2G…

> a way to do this on iPhones A quick search suggests Lockdown mode might do it, which is corroborated by their support docs. It also does a bunch of other things that will probably degrade most users' experience, for what it's worth. https://support.apple.com/en-us/105120 > Wireless connectivity: Your device won't automatically join non-secure Wi-Fi networks and will disconnect from a non-secure Wi-Fi network when y…

Thanks!

But also WTF Apple... I appreciate that this mode exists but each of those things should be allowed to be toggled independently. People need more fine grained experience.

For things that I think will affect people more than the wireless connectivity

  Messages: Most message attachment types are blocked, other than certain images, video, and audio. Some features, such as links and link previews, are unavailable. 

  FaceTime: Incoming FaceTime calls are blocked unless you have previously called that person or contact within the past 30 days. Features such as SharePlay and Live Photos are unavailable.
I swear... Apple really does not want to make privacy and security convenient for users. It's as if (...) they want to provide the tools to say they have the best security but then make the UX so poor that no one will end up using them (and then they can justify not developing more because "nobody uses them")
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