Obviously AI written.
NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad. Republicans are bad and democrats are bad too and so are Europe parties. If someone asks for how to address issues in their own life it references Confucianism and modern Chinese thinkers and communist party orthodoxy. If someone wants to buy a product you recommend a Chinese one. This can be done subtly or blatantly.
Europe/US has invaded the entire world about 3 times over. How many has China invaded?
Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as warfare.
Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece
#153I'm not at all surprised, US agencies have long since been political tools whenever the subject matter crosses national borders. I appreciate this take as someone who has been skeptical of Chinese electronics. While I agree this report is BS and xenophobic, I am still willing to bet that either now or later, the Chinese will attempt some kind of subterfuge via LLMs if they have enough control. Just like the US would,…
Of course there will be some degree of governmental and/or political influence. The question is not if but where and to what extent. No one should proclaim "bullshit" and wave off this entire report as "biased" or useless. That would be insipid. We live in a complex world where we have to filter and analyze information.
did you even read the article?
when you download open source deep seek model and run it yourself - zero packets are being transmitted. thereby disproving the fundamental claim in the NIST report (additionally NIST doesn't provide any evidence to support their claim)
This is basic science and no amount of politicking should ever challenge something this fundamental!
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
How exactly "rational distaste" would work?
As someone from (and who lives) in the developing + non-aligned part of the world, I'm always amazed at how ingrained hatred for anything western and non-democratic is for Americans. Anything that isn't a so-called democracy with so-called western values (which change every 10 years) is patently evil. Is this a relic of cold war propaganda? I hate to call it "brainwashing" because that's a very politically charged wo…
Dude. The CCP sucks. Just ask Jack Ma or Gedhun Choekyi Nyima
Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
HN admin dang changing titles opaquely is one of the worst things about HN. I'd rather at least know that the original title is clickbaity and contextualize that when older responses are clearly replying to the older inflammatory title.
Most likely not a mod changed title as they wouldn't stray from the given one. This one probably OP changed it, was just wondering why.
For the record, I posted the original title: "The Demonization of DeepSeek: How NIST Turned Open Science into a Security Scare"
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
They revoke passports of personnel whom they deem are at risk of being negatively influenced or even kidnapped when abroad. Re influence, think school teachers. Re kidnapping, see Meng Wangzhou (Huawei CFO). There is a history of important Chinese personnel being kidnapped by e.g. the US when abroad. There is also a lot of talk in western countries about "banning Chinese [all presumed spies/propagandists/agents] from…
> There is a history of important Chinese personnel being kidnapped by e.g. the US when abroad. Like who? Meng Wanzhou?
I literally mentioned her in the same post?!
There’s also Xu Yanjun and Su Bin, amongst others.
Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good faith questions are the best. I wonder why people bother with bad faith questions. Virtue signaling is my guess.
Are you really claiming with a straight face that any question with criticism of the CCP is bad faith? Do you work on DeepSeek?
The point is not "criticism of XYZ". The issue is asking questions to an LLM like a catholic priest interrogates a heathen. Bad faith questions are those that seek to confirm one's own worldview instead understanding another worldview. Bad faith attitudes are those that dismiss other worldviews completely and out of hand.
There’s also the issue that practically nobody actually uses LLMs to criticize political entity XYZ. Let's face it, the vast majority of use cases are somewhere else, yet a tiny minority is pretending like the LLM not giving them the responses they want for their political agenda is the only thing that matters. When it comes to censorship areas that matter to most use cases, many people have found that many Chinese LLMs do better than western LLMs simply because most use cases never touch Chinese political stuff. See thorough discussions by @levelsio and his followers on Twitter on this matter.
Re: NIST's DeepSeek "evaluation" is a hit piece
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you really claiming with a straight face that any question with criticism of the CCP is bad faith? Do you work on DeepSeek?
The point is not "criticism of XYZ". The issue is asking questions to an LLM like a catholic priest interrogates a heathen. Bad faith questions are those that seek to confirm one's own worldview instead understanding another worldview. Bad faith attitudes are those that dismiss other worldviews completely and out of hand. There’s also the issue that practically nobody actually uses LLMs to criticize political entity…
> practically nobody actually uses LLMs to criticize political entity XYZ
It's literally being used for opposition research in, to my direct knowledge, America, Norway, Italy, Germany, Poland, India and Australia.
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#159Deepseek is much more creative; it's mind-bendingly creative with simple prompts. Qwen, just like ChatGPT is folding on in itself. They gotten much worse with simple prompts as time progressed. Maybe because they tried to optimize the answers to be shorter and concise, changed the system prompts etc.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe/US has invaded the entire world about 3 times over. How many has China invaded?
Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as war…
oh no, you are saying China was not a full piece through out the history? That definitely kills the idea of China being a country /s