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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Arguably, ecommerce was worse without Amazon but are we really better off?

Shipping times are definitely better off industry wide because of Amazon.

Same day shipping was always the norm here. Order something before 14:00 - 16:00, depending on where the company was on the route for package pickups, and you'd have your package the next day. Amazon has normalized multi-day / weeks shipping, so they've made it worse.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

smtp2go will let you have 200 a day or 1000 a month for free.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

Re: Sendgrid killing their free tier - I used them for the contact form on my personal website, and after they ended the free tier I was able to move to Resend (who has a similar free tier) without too much work. Pretty happy with it so far.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

I still believe that CloudFlare means well, but that doesn't mean that I agree with the increased centralization. This isn't the fault of CloudFlare, they are just exploiting a business opportunity and as you say: At least they're not selling ads.

It is a legitimate business, from my perspective. I'd just wish we weren't in a situation where CloudFlare isn't exactly struggling to sell their services.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#156

WTF Cloudflare you are using a google form for the beta sign up? Sign up to the waitlist here. https://forms.gle/BX6ECfkar3oVLQxs7 Edit: I see its an email sending service not client.

To be clear, Cloudflare Email Service is not a full-blown email provider like Fastmail, nor is it even comparable to email services like AWS SES or SendGrid. Cloudflare already offered email routing and Cloudflare Email Service just adds the ability to send email via Cloudflare Workers, so there’s a long way to go before Cloudflare could be an option for replacing Fastmail.

What would be the difference if we are talking about transactional emails? Why not comparable to SES?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#157
post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

> The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone

This is very much a myth. There's a lot of FUD around how mail is "hard", but it's much less complicated than, say, running and maintaining a k8s cluster (professionally, I'm responsible for both at my org, so I can make this comparison with some authority).

Honestly `apt install postfix dovecot` gets you 90% of the way there. Getting spambinned isn't a problem in my experience, as long as you're doing SPF and DKIM and not using an often-abused IP range (yes, this means you can't use AWS). The MTA/MDA software is rock-solid and will happily run for years on end without human intervention. There really isn't anything to maintain on a regular basis apart from patches/updates every few months.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

Good point, but I guess we are stuck here.

I don't think Cloudflare did anything major wrong, most of what they offer have plenty of alternatives, but Cloudflare is able to do a lot for free which really isn't their fault.

There are complain about its cache's captcha, I get it, ideally it should not discriminate any human user, but IMO it's an economical problem unless we collectively decide what they do is public utilities.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#159
post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

Yes, but also you can't send an email in any meaningful way on the internet without going through a middleman anyways so while philosophically you're correct, in reality it's already the case.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #133

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China was able to pull that one off, pretty much no one uses email there.

What exactly are they using? Wechat messages?

For registering/authenticating to service, SMS mostly. Same deal in Russia in my experience, basically every website/service signup asks for your mobile number and just texts verification codes.
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