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Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by epolanski »

hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

They don't care about the editor anymore, it's all about becoming millionaires.

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Post by razodactyl »

hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

Thoughts on https://nova.app/ ?

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by spartanatreyu »

CharlesW wrote: post #92
dewey wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have Sublime Text installed for the onlu use case of opening large files. Nothing comes close.

Googling around a bit, Sublime Text doesn't seem to be particularly good at this: https://forum.sublimetext.com/t/unable-to-open-a-large-text-... In my experience, BBEdit will open files that kill other editors: "Handling large files presents no intrinsic problems for BBEdit, though some specific operations may be limited when dealing with files over 2GB in size."

Sublime text works better on large files (where file sizes are a few gb) compared to VSCode.

But, you can go faster depending on your usecase:

- If you're trying to manually look through the file, use `less`. You can scroll up and down, go quickly to the top and bottom of the file, and also search the file for strings quickly

- If you already know the string in the file that you're looking for, use ripgrep

- If you're trying to do a search and replace, and you already know what the strings are, use sed. (macos' built-in sed isn't good, so get the proper gnu coreutills through homebrew, and you can access the good sed through `gsed`)

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by GoatInGrey »

typpilol wrote: post #126
baq wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

meanwhile me hiding from accounting for spending $500 on cursor max mode in a day

Did you actually get 500 bucks worth of work out of it?

How should they know? It's not like they're checking what it does.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by GoatInGrey »

scuff3d wrote: post #43
bluehatbrit wrote: post #7

Token based pricing generally makes a lot of sense for companies like Zed, but it sure does suck for forecasting spend. Usage pricing on something like aws is pretty easy to figure out. You know what you're going to use, so you just do some simple arithmetic and you've got a pretty accurate idea. Even with serverless it's pretty easy. Tokens are so much harder, especially when using it in a development setting. It's…

Also seems like a great idea to create a business models where the companies aren't incentivised to provide the best product possible. Instead they'll want to create a product just useful enough to not drive away users, but just useless enough to temp people to go up a tier, "I'm so close, just one more prompt and it will be right this time!" Edit: To be clear, I'm not talking about Zed. I'm talking about the compani…

As well as gatekeep functionality behind the prompt box. Want to find and replace? Regex? Insert a new column? Add a line break? Have the AI do it and pay us for those tokens whether it works the first time or not!

I unfortunately have seen many AI-based tools being demoed with this approach. The goal is clearly to monetize every user action while piggybacking off of models provided by a third-party. The gross thing is that leadership from the director level up LOVES these demos, even when the models very clearly fuck up in the demo.

AI: "I have cleaned the formatting for all 4,650 records in your sample XML files. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help!"

Me: "There are over 25,000 records in that data..."

AI: "You're absolutely right!"

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Post by insane_dreamer »

typpilol wrote: post #129
chewz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never used Zed predictions but $20 for 500 prompts is quite a good deal. I use it mostly with Opus for some hard cases.

10 bucks on copilot and you get unlimited + unlimited gpt4.1 etc Copilot is the best value by far

How well does copilot edit prediction work vs Zed’s?

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Post by klaussilveira »

jamesgeck0 wrote: post #137
klaussilveira wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.

There have been improvements recently, but it still has some of the worst text rendering of any editor on macOS, if you have a non-4K display plugged in. Rendering text is kind of a big deal!

It's not just on Mac. Zed's font rendering on Linux is also buggy and ugly. And they don't seem to care much:

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/11676

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/4334

Font rendering should be the most important feature of a text editor.

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Post by SpartanJ »

hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

I think there's still space in the editor market for an open-source Sublime/Zed alternative. I've been working solo on a code editor with similar characteristics for a few years. It's still a work in progress, but it's already feature-rich (all the basics and some advanced features, like LSP, DAP, multi-cursor, etc.): https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode/

ecode can handle big files, though it's not specifically designed for that. I just tested it with the largest text file I could find (760MB), and it worked just fine (searches included). The editor is designed with performance in mind, taking a similar approach to Zed (custom GPU-accelerated renderer, fully native C++ code, heavily multi-threaded, etc.). The biggest challenge is forming a community of collaborators, solo developing such a project in my free time is a huge task. So if anyone is interested, please contact me =)

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