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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

earthdeity wrote: post #121

You can go to any number of sites (here's a nice one https://webencrypt.org/openpgpjs/ ), and encrypt a message. You can exchange public keys over any text channel. You can then send encrypted messages over that text channel. Anyone who really needs to send encrypted messages, trivially can. Of course, many criminals won't, but should we all sacrifice our privacy for such a pathetic measure of security?

ChatControl proposes "on device" scanning, meaning before/after encryption, thereby making encryption useless.

You could still have an airgapped computer where you encrypt your messages with GnuPG or similar, and then send those.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by calgoo »

Zanfa wrote: post #141
budududuroiu wrote: post #109

Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. From the Euroskeptics to the anti-imperialists, everyone wants the EU dead. Sadly, I tend to agree with them more and more.

> Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. Wasn't he the Greek Minister of Finance that was supposed to be a game theory genius, but was completely incapable of understanding why his proposals were politically impossible?

He was shutdown by the EU central bank with them basically saying they can not allow individual countries to control and make their own financial decisions. This is after the EU was asking for incredible high interest rates to bail them out, basically forcing Greece to do whatever their overlords in Germany said.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by u8080 »

Gud wrote: post #137
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's a good idea for the ones pushing this because that is the intended state . Don't forget, Russia has trillions of dollars for bribes.

Russias GDP is on par with South Korea’s. Hate to be that guy, but source?

But i.e. 3x Belgium GDP. Anyway, how's GDP is even relevant here?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by rightbyte »

criticalfault wrote: post #145
Gud wrote: post #140

Time to dismantle the EU. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. I moved from a country that used to have strong privacy laws(Sweden) to another that still has them. Although Switzerland is far from perfect, it is a stable democracy with protections for its citizens. The problem is when you build these gigantic political organisations, like the EU or USA, there is nowhere to go when the political elite dec…

I think this is naive thinking. Do that and you will be ass raped by stronger powers in record time... if we don't start a war in eu amongst ourselves. The eu was established as an economic union trying to prevent war in Europe and it has been very successful in that. Going the other way would probably cause havoc. Look at Hungary and Slovakia even with war on our doorstep. I am of the opinion that the EU needs to fe…

I don't think these superpower dreams are very good for neither for the EU population or democracy.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Zanfa »

budududuroiu wrote: post #149
Zanfa wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. Wasn't he the Greek Minister of Finance that was supposed to be a game theory genius, but was completely incapable of understanding why his proposals were politically impossible?

Why politically impossible? You can argue economically impossible, but the referendum overwhelmingly voted to reject the bailout package

Politically, because he was trying to negotiate against austerity measures with zero leverage and no realistic alternatives. Given the consensus on the requirements between the countries footing the bailout and the general public (outside of Greece), it was clear from the start that his position was unworkable.

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Post by rgavuliak »

IlikeMadison wrote: post #22

>Now Paris “on the whole” agrees with the draft. France welcomes both mandatory chat control and client-side scanning. A few months ago, a broad security law was passed by the National Assembly in France. Initially, this law contained provisions, including the scanning of private messages, which were removed from the main text by a large majority of lawmakers, as it was deemed too intrusive. The few officials (includ…

France is all about big government

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Gud »

u8080 wrote: post #154
Gud wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russias GDP is on par with South Korea’s. Hate to be that guy, but source?

But i.e. 3x Belgium GDP. Anyway, how's GDP is even relevant here?

I am saying it is ridiculous to say that Russia can pay trillions of dollars in bribes.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Gud »

criticalfault wrote: post #145
Gud wrote: post #140

Time to dismantle the EU. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. I moved from a country that used to have strong privacy laws(Sweden) to another that still has them. Although Switzerland is far from perfect, it is a stable democracy with protections for its citizens. The problem is when you build these gigantic political organisations, like the EU or USA, there is nowhere to go when the political elite dec…

I think this is naive thinking. Do that and you will be ass raped by stronger powers in record time... if we don't start a war in eu amongst ourselves. The eu was established as an economic union trying to prevent war in Europe and it has been very successful in that. Going the other way would probably cause havoc. Look at Hungary and Slovakia even with war on our doorstep. I am of the opinion that the EU needs to fe…

Meanwhile the most prosperous nations in Europe are not part of the EU.

It is good you are asking how to avoid the EU turning into a totalitarian state, which is the way it is currently heading.

I don’t think it’s possible.

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