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Re: MrBeast Failed to Disclose Ads and Improperly Collected Children's Data

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Post by ewoodrich »

general1465 wrote: post #147
justforfunhere wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was really good twist in the book. It made me think a lot what a normal Trisolaran conversation or exchange of information look like? How does a civilization evolve in this case?

How would such civilization even survive to discover a wheel if it can't recognize lie or misinformation. Even animals are able to lie - that's what mimicry and camouflage is all about. Imagination is also form of a lie. You are making stuff up in your head. Without imagination you don't have innovation. Without innovation you are stuck in cave scavenging whatever you can find.

Trisolarans did evolve under much different selection pressure that requires effective mass coordination to dehydrate when deemed necessary for civilization's survival. That would probably select for rigid adherence to rules of communication vs critically evaluating every interaction. Or else you'd get a lot of "But am I being tricked into dehydrating to steal my belongings and take my job at the sophon factory? No thanks, I'll pass."

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Post by nitwit005 »

lloydatkinson wrote: post #81

There’s going to be a big controversy about him one day and his evil will be shown, mark my words.

He has a controversy section in his wikipedia page with seven entries in it, and I assume that's leaving out smaller ones.

Re: MrBeast Failed to Disclose Ads and Improperly Collected Children's Data

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Post by speed_spread »

bryan_w wrote: post #120
speed_spread wrote: post #63

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Whatever he does is for show first and foremost and only. Whatever benefits other people gain in the process is always less than what he will gain from the views. It's very much not a charity although he sells it like one.

Is there no such thing as a win-win situation?

There is a way to give money and stuff away for good causes and it's not to put up a show, then pack up and never return to see check that what you did actually helped. What he's doing is a lottery, making poor people win to capture their immediate sentiments. It's totally artificial and done for the wrong reasons which can have a number of negative outcomes that you'll never hear about because it's a closed process. Would you consider lotto a charity?

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Post by AlotOfReading »

wongarsu wrote: post #136
AlotOfReading wrote: post #107

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He's been involved with enough actual crypto scammers that it's probably more than a superficial similarity.

He is heavily involved with both Logan Paul and KSI. And while those two haven't built their career around crypto scams the label "crypto scammer" has been used for both of them

Also Gary Vee, and directly contributing to a number of pump and dump scams.

Re: MrBeast Failed to Disclose Ads and Improperly Collected Children's Data

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Post by dizlexic »

latexr wrote: post #129
deadbabe wrote: post #119

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His logic is not flawed to anyone who thinks about it: 1. You have to be a shitty human being to become a billionaire. 2. If you give away all your money, you’re not a shitty human being. 3. But if you’re not a shitty human being, how could you have become a billionaire in the first place? ??? There is no way to win with these people.

You're arguing against points no one made. No one in this immediate thread, at least. No one here said you have to be shitty to be a billionaire, or that giving money away stops you from being shitty. Please don’t straw man. Engage with the arguments in earnest, with what the person said, not what you imagine they said.

> You could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world.

Do you think we're extrapolating too much into the meaning of "decent human"?

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Post by dizlexic »

some_guy_nobel wrote: post #89
dizlexic wrote: post #73

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and this is downvoted why? giving all your money away in no way makes you a decent human or guarantees a better world. It's flawed logic. A platitude.

Please stray from the meta "why am I downvoted!". It's low-effort, reddit-esque commentary that only serves yourself. You can edit your other comment. You're being downvoted because you're not responding to the comment in earnest. The comment says, "You could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world." Obviously, that implies good intention. Your contrarian take sidestep…

Frankly I disagree and am pointing out the obvious subtext.

if giving all my money away leads to "the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world."

Then it's not much of a step or even a leap to go the other way with it. If I horde all my money or even don't give it all away, then I will be denied that intrinsic satisfaction because I'm not a decent human or creating a better world.

Do you think we're extrapolating too much into the meaning of "decent human"?

Re: MrBeast Failed to Disclose Ads and Improperly Collected Children's Data

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Post by latexr »

dizlexic wrote: post #156
latexr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing against points no one made. No one in this immediate thread, at least. No one here said you have to be shitty to be a billionaire, or that giving money away stops you from being shitty. Please don’t straw man. Engage with the arguments in earnest, with what the person said, not what you imagine they said.

> You could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world. Do you think we're extrapolating too much into the meaning of "decent human"?

Say you asked “what’s the point of running? Why should I do it every day? I’ll only get tired” and I answer “you could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of pushing yourself, out of love for the sport, to be healthier, to become an athlete”. Do you understand that to mean “anyone who doesn’t run every day is unhealthy, not an athlete, and doesn‘t love sports”? Hopefully not, that would be ridiculous. All that’s needed is to point at a swimmer or a cyclist as a counter example.

So yes, you are extrapolating too much. Saying “doing this is good or decent” does not automatically mean “not doing this is bad or indecent”. You are not reading some “obvious subtext” (as you put it in another comment), you’re making up beliefs and ascribing negative intentions to complete strangers.

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Post by lesuorac »

dylan604 wrote: post #143
ryandrake wrote: post #53

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The point is that despite their deliberately confusing decision to have the word "Bureau" in their name, they have absolutely nothing to do with the government or anything official. They are as official as JD Power, Consumer Reports or Yelp. I wonder how many millions of people continue to be fooled by their deceptive name?

Federal Express is not part of the federal anything, yet nobody is confused by that.

I'm sure people are confused by that.

People get confused that the Chamber of Commerce isn't a government body.

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Post by general1465 »

ewoodrich wrote: post #151
general1465 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would such civilization even survive to discover a wheel if it can't recognize lie or misinformation. Even animals are able to lie - that's what mimicry and camouflage is all about. Imagination is also form of a lie. You are making stuff up in your head. Without imagination you don't have innovation. Without innovation you are stuck in cave scavenging whatever you can find.

Trisolarans did evolve under much different selection pressure that requires effective mass coordination to dehydrate when deemed necessary for civilization's survival. That would probably select for rigid adherence to rules of communication vs critically evaluating every interaction. Or else you'd get a lot of "But am I being tricked into dehydrating to steal my belongings and take my job at the sophon factory? No t…

But how would progress work like that? If you are essentially an ant colony adhering to rules, how do you want to invent anything at all? The moment when you start being different through innovation, you are not following the rigid rule system and other members of your species will kill you.
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