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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by pjc50 »

bibelo wrote: post #44
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

Very relevant info I was not aware of So should we (people outside US) sanction these companies, so that they put the same pressure on US government to stop forcing them from applying sanctions?

I'd choose more carefully which fight you want to pick at the moment, tbh. There's a very long list of unreasonable behaviors to complain about.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by adastra22 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #140
js8 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted you. Reason - I don't see/understand what argument are you making. It seems you're just stating the claim.

I'm contradicting the claim. Prisoners aren't slaves. They could be enslaved, but they aren't. They are never sold into slavery and almost never compelled to do any work. This is the opposite of being "literal slaves". They are literally not slaves. ...unless you believe that before the 17th century, everyone in the world was literally a slave? It was legal to enslave them too.

3/4 of prisoners in the US endure forced labor according to the ACLU:

https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit...

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by rswail »

jeroenhd wrote: post #81
tgma wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is partially true, but not the entirety of the story. There are blanket sanction waivers ( General License ) by OFAC to allow certain things. There's also the possibility to get an OFAC license (as GitHub did.) The real issue is there is little to no advantage (realistically no money to be gained from Iran) or even awareness (sometimes the cloud infrastructure bans Iran by default and you don't have enough users…

This kind of assumes Microsoft has not already tried to get an exception, or that its legal team considers it likely that an exception will be granted. Various tools hosted on Github can be considered dual-use (i.e. AES/TLS libraries). Furthermore, Microsoft was made to apply sanctions against Karim Khan of the ICC for his involvement in investigating the genocide of Palestinians; I doubt Microsoft would be granted a…

> I doubt Microsoft would be granted an exception so they can serve Hamas' greatest supporter after that.

"greatest"? Hardly. A charge was brought before the ICC from South Africa which required the ICC to investigate.

There are much bigger supporters of Hamas, the sanctions against employees of the ICC is just the current US government flexing its retribution muscles.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by adastra22 »

yawpitch wrote: post #144
adastra22 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three points on that. First, in this context the popular image, not reality, is what actually matters. Why do people not risk breaking sanctions? Because they don't want to risk prison. Why do Americans fear prison so much? Because of how it is represented in popular media, true or not. Second, sexual violence in American prisons is a very real concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_Stat...…

> Why do Americans fear prison so much? Because of how it is represented in popular media, true or not. Yes, it’s an ouroboros of confirmation bias: the popular media ad nauseum repeats the trope that what they need to fear in prison is ”gay” sexual violence, when what they really need to fear is the violence of the state and its economic interests that threatens to put them there in the first place. > Second, sexual…

You are reading into it something that isn't there.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #137
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

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Iranian regime sucks, American regime sucks. Both can be true at the same time. I'm not a fan of either, although I think Trump's government does enjoy higher level of support in America than Iranian government does in Iran. Trump hasn't (so far) seen a need to shoot unarmed protesters to stay in power, like the Iranians have done.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

sfn42 wrote: post #145
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People always say stuff like this, but from my pov it doesn't matter what the populace thinks. They are directly supporting their government with everything they do. They are producing goods and services, they are the army, they are the government, the people are the country. They have the power to choose who rules them if they want to. Nobody else does. Iranians are responsible for Iran's actions just like Russians…

What should they do ? Stop working, or protest and risk getting killed ?

It's easy to call for action from your comfortable life.

No, the populace does not bear the same responsibility for the country's actions in all countries. Swiss with direct democracy bear much higher responsibility than systematically oppressed populace in other countries.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by vintermann »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

A revolution also isn't easy when you know that the revolutions you could have, would be the ones supported by foreign groups that absolutely don't want your country well. USA on no account will tolerate an Iran which is both free and democratic and at all economically developed, because they don't trust a democratic public to support pro-American policies in the middle east - especially related to Israel and oil. Just like they don't trust that in any of the Arab states.

If you want a democratic Iran, both the current government of Iran and its most powerful enemies will do everything they can to stop you.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

sfn42 wrote: post #145
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People always say stuff like this, but from my pov it doesn't matter what the populace thinks. They are directly supporting their government with everything they do. They are producing goods and services, they are the army, they are the government, the people are the country. They have the power to choose who rules them if they want to. Nobody else does. Iranians are responsible for Iran's actions just like Russians…

This is an extremely important, often overlooked, point. I also know of many "educated Iranians" living in the US who voice their opinion as GP suggests, and are self-proclaimed to be anti-regime. However, they travel to Iran to visit family and friends twice a year and take an iPhone or two on their way to gift them, directly benefiting the Mullah's system. I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to visit family, so I would take "hate the government" with a grain of salt when everything you do benefits the same establishment.

Some even line up to vote for sham Presidential elections of the Mullah regime, whose turnout legitimizes the regime, while inside the United States! Being Stanford educated does not prevent this seemingly cognitive dissonance or perhaps deception; it actually makes that more likely.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

tgma wrote: post #106
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

> Most educated Iranians hate their government Where did you get that data from and what do you mean by "hate" in quantifiable terms? (just being "unhappy" with outcomes of certain policies does not mean they would necessarily want to uproot everything for the better)

If you meet educated Iranians, and read news on what's happening in the country, it's pretty obvious. Whether it's "hate" or "deeply dislike" may vary by person.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by mda »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #137
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

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Are you really comparing your life to Iranians?
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