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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Boring Company. Whatever happened to those tunnels?

They did their job: they discouraged the construction of high-speed rail. Musk has, IIRC, actually admitted that this was their purpose.

No it didn't. The Hyperloop had no impact what so ever on California High Speed Rail.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Do you have sources?

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Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

I just got back from a trip to the USA where I spent about five days driving around Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin and the number of shredded truck tires on the highways was flabbergasting. From what I understand, in the USA when a truck tire wears down they put a new layer of tread on it. But it doesn't seem to work very well as it eventually peels off.

I hit a retread as it became detached from the lorry I was following on the M25, UK. Scary moment, similar to the video in TFA, + an expensive repair job.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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If it's not your money does it matter? I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't deliver anything e.g. he did cars, rockets, and now AI (the rate X are building out training capacity is genuinely astonishing) at the same time.

Yes it does matter. Money thrown away on his lies is money that isn’t invested on real projects.

Overall SpaceX is incredibly successful and Tesla is still reasonable successful. So money overall is hardly thrown away.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

Literally the passenger saw it and leaned it, the driver grabbed the steering wheel to brace himself it seems. That object on the road was massive, absolutely huge as far as on road obstacles go. The camera does not do any justice - it looks like it's 3 feet long, over a foot wide, and about 6 or 7 inches high laying on the road. Unless a human driver really isn't paying attention, they're not hitting that thing.

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There's sort of an analogous conundrum with Airbus-style automation: the system has various levels of automation and protection (e.g. preventing you from stalling the plane) And then when something goes wrong, you are unceremoniously handed a plane with potentially some or all of those protections no longer active. As an analogy, imagine your FSD car was trying to slow down for something, but along the way there is s…

I’ll defend airbus a little - there are flight laws that more or less provide at any given moment as much automation as is possible given the state of the sensors and computers. So it doesn’t just go ‘oops, a sensor failed, now you have direct control of the plane.’ It does have the same problem - if 99.999% of your flight time is spent in normal law you are not especially ready to operate in one of the alternate law…

Yeah, it's a tricky problem to solve, but other design decisions exacerbate it too, like the lack of visual or tactile feedback in the controls.

I was thinking of something similar to XL Airways Germany 888T. I was trying to find it and came across this thread making a similar comparison so I'll link that: https://www.reddit.com/r/AdmiralCloudberg/comments/18ks9nl/p...

But I think there was some other example with an engine asymmetry (an autothrottle issue?) that the autopilot was fighting with bank, and eventually it exceeded the bank limit and dumped a basically uncontrollable aircraft in the pilots' lap. It would have been more obvious if you were seeing the yoke bank more and more. (Though it looks like this was China Airlines 006, a 747SP, which contradicts that thought.)

I agree that we can make the situation less abrupt for cars in some cases (though people will probably get annoyed by the car bugging them for everything going on)

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Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

I've been driving on local and highway roads for 30 years now and I have never come across a piece of debris so large that driving over it would damage my car. Seeing that video, I don't have high confidence that I would have dodged that hazard - maybe 70% sure? The thing is, usually there is plenty of traffic ahead that acts very obviously different in situations like this that helps as well.

All that to say that I don't feel this is a fair criticism of the FSD system.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product.

I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely nothing in Europe. A five-year-old would do a better job at driving because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly.

Tesla takes no responsibility for their misleading marketing and years of lies. Most recently Musk promised in early 2025 that these old cars would get a hardware update that will finally enable the paid-for FSD (as if…) The company itself pretends to know nothing about this latest promise made by its CEO.

It’s insane that a business with a trillion-dollar market cap operates like this. It seems to be more of a cult than a real company.

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