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Post by titzer »

yibg wrote: post #102
slg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate the Trump administration is losing plausible deniability has been accelerating over recent months/weeks/days. The MAGA diehards flying Trump flags aren't going to change their ways because they are true believers in "putting the corrupt radical left | greedy corporations | immigrants in their place". But what about all the techno-libertarians that populate HN? Can you genuinely say this type of loophole that…

I hope majority of the voting population sees this for what it is. The question is is there anything that can be done about it. There is midterms but that's a long ways out, especially at the speed things are moving now. Congress isn't keeping the executive branch in check, neither is the judiciary.

As it turns out, power without accountability inevitably leads to corruption.

There is no functioning mechanism in operation today that forces the government to follow the law. Any law. Not even the constitution.

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by dragonwriter »

BoredPositron wrote: post #108
dragonwriter wrote: post #60

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Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch. Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal (or, at least, without legal effect) to the extent they do that, but whether or not a particular order meets that description is frequently a matter of dispute, which can…

The US worked pretty well without them before?

> The US worked pretty well without them before?

The period between the inauguration of the first President under the US Constitution (April 30, 1789) and the first formal executive order (June 9, 1789) was 40 days, so I have no idea what you are thinking of.

EDIT: It’s worth noting that the first Act of Congress was only signed into law 8 days earlier than the first executive order was issued, so for most of the time before executive orders the executive had no actual laws to execute.

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by rayiner »

13415 wrote: post #149
rayiner wrote: post #131

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The point is that it strongly suggests the system is being abused by India. Even excluding developed countries where people might lack incentive to move, India doesn’t come close to having 70% of “the talent.” Latin America alone probably has as many college graduates as India, accounting for higher college attendance rates. But Latin America accounts for a small share of H1bs while India accounts for 70%.

That argument is not sound. English is an official language of India, of course Indians are much more likely to seek work in the UK and the US than people from Latin America. You have failed to present any evidence concerning the skill levels of Indian H1B holders, and, moreover, since India has the largest population of all countries, those 130M college graduates must have gone through some very tough selection.

> English is an official language of India, of course Indians are much more likely to seek work in the UK and the US than people from Latin America.

The U.S. is also much closer to Latin America, and has a large Latino community already. The disparity in H1bs (70% versus 2% for Mexico/Brazil/Colombia) is just too huge to explain by language preferences.

> since India has the largest population of all countries, those 130M college graduates must have gone through some very tough selection.

Not at all. Outside the top schools standards plummet. Half of those graduates are not qualified to work in their fields: https://www.tbsnews.net/bloomberg-special/worthless-degrees-...

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Post by explorer01 »

nojito wrote: post #147
sarchertech wrote: post #107

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1. I'd need to see the exact data you're citing. 2. It's a common tactic to employ people on H-1Bs in a lower paying job title while having the perform the work of a higher paying title. 3. You'd need to adjust for average number of hours worked.

None of what you said is true. https://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Impact-of-H-...

Anecdotally, I have seen the h1b under leveling happen multiple times. But not sure it’s common enough to skew the data but it does stand out when it happens because you have a great engineer with 10 years experience and you find out they are an SDE1. For every one of those there are probably 10 that are correctly leveled or over leveled.

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Post by macintux »

analognoise wrote: post #130
slg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate the Trump administration is losing plausible deniability has been accelerating over recent months/weeks/days. The MAGA diehards flying Trump flags aren't going to change their ways because they are true believers in "putting the corrupt radical left | greedy corporations | immigrants in their place". But what about all the techno-libertarians that populate HN? Can you genuinely say this type of loophole that…

The techno-libertarians I’ve interacted with were always painfully naive, with a simplistic worldview (that they thought was extremely learn’ed - mistaking their technical skill for broad intellect that understood politics to be “simple”). If they haven’t grown up thus far, I doubt yet another logical inconsistency will puncture their shallow and hermetic understanding. Or as I read it somewhere, “We’ve created a gro…

As we’ve learned from victims of pig butchering scams, denial of the obvious runs very, very deep. Pride and confidence and lack of self reflection will make it very difficult for Trump voters to change their minds.

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Post by macintux »

jjj123 wrote: post #148
wrs wrote: post #138

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Both have necessary and legitimate uses, which is why they exist. Any institutional power can be used corruptly. The defense against that is not to try to predecide and constrain every action of the executive. It is for the people, directly or through their representatives, to recognize the corruption and remove that executive through election or impeachment.

Genuine question: what are the legitimate uses of a presidential pardon? It always seemed strange to me, I don’t understand it.

Any judicial system is a source of injustice, hopefully just at the periphery, but there needs to be some way to recognize and correct grievous errors.

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Post by mothballed »

Freedom2 wrote: post #133
mothballed wrote: post #112

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To the state coffers where it is money laundered to friends of the political class via favored private enterprises that win contracts for things like building border walls, keeping databases on US citizens, or running detention facilities.

Is there any evidence of this? Otherwise please don't post unsubstantiated rumors on this site, it's not what it was made for!

Do you take contention with the part where I indicate the money paid goes into the state coffers?

Or the part that money from the state coffers is then laundered to friends of the political class via favored private enterprises that win contracts?

Let us be specific about the part that is the "unsubstantiated rumor", so that I can come up with "any evidence" which is a low bar to pass indeed.

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Post by duxup »

wrs wrote: post #20

Note that the fee can be waived at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security. So, just like the tariffs, one purpose of this change is to give companies the opportunity to come to the White House and ask what favors they can do in exchange for a waiver.

>waived at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Yeah that just seems like corruption by design.

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Post by jdlshore »

sarchertech wrote: post #83
atonse wrote: post #81

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Yup, whether the 100k fee will curb misuse remains to be seen. But giving people essentially 24h to react feels like utter bullshit causing totally unnecessary and avoidable chaos to LEGAL (and vetted from a background check standpoint) immigrants.

Sure everything Trump does is insane, but all I've been hearing is how "H-1Bs are good actually".

Goomba fallacy.

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Post by apwell23 »

mothballed wrote: post #157
Freedom2 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence of this? Otherwise please don't post unsubstantiated rumors on this site, it's not what it was made for!

Do you take contention with the part where I indicate the money paid goes into the state coffers? Or the part that money from the state coffers is then laundered to friends of the political class via favored private enterprises that win contracts? Let us be specific about the part that is the "unsubstantiated rumor", so that I can come up with "any evidence" which is a low bar to pass indeed.

you mean there isn't enough money in the coffers already for the 'laundering to friends' that have to create new schemes?
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