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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by nchmy »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #145
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical?

What an absolutely tragic worldview you have... There's no doubt that there are disingenuous people (let alone complete grifters). But the fact that you can't conceive of anyone doing anything good just for the sake of it - let alone making genuine self-sacrifices, which happens ALL the time - is utterly shameful.

Moreover, if you are properly-aligned in life, whats good for others/the world is ALSO good for you. Even those who make genuine self-sacrifices would say so - at the very least, NOT having done it would be the real, unbearable, sacrifice.

I really hope you'll reflect deeply on this, and perhaps that it even haunts you - even if just out of pure self-centeredness, since the only people who you would ever have in your life with a mentality like this would necessarily be completely self-centered as well.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by TiredOfLife »

Sammi wrote: post #54
jon-wood wrote: post #17

It's certainly a bold move for a private company that wants to take a behemoth like Oracle to court over something that mostly benefits themselves to solicit $200K of donations from random people in order to so. I look forward to seeing how that plays out for them.

> mostly benefits themselves This is incorrect. All users of Javascript benefit.

How?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by mdaniel »

billpg wrote: post #82
ozgung wrote: post #41

According to Wikipedia, JavaScript first appeared on December 4th, 1995, as a part of Netscape Navigator. The name was LiveScript in beta versions. Sun Microsystems (acquired by Oracle) made the application for the trademark[1] on December 1st, 1995. The trademark was issued on May 6th, 1997. [1] https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_...

I they had stuck with LiveScript, we'd be using LSON ("Ell-Son") as a data format.

Another bullet dodged, since saying Ellison 3 times in a row would cause a gaggle of lawyers to appear in the room

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by Akranazon »

snovymgodym wrote: post #150
siva7 wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

Yet somehow ECMAScript was a worse name.

Honestly, the screw up was right there.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by mdaniel »

bambax wrote: post #56
ozgung wrote: post #41

According to Wikipedia, JavaScript first appeared on December 4th, 1995, as a part of Netscape Navigator. The name was LiveScript in beta versions. Sun Microsystems (acquired by Oracle) made the application for the trademark[1] on December 1st, 1995. The trademark was issued on May 6th, 1997. [1] https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_...

I have always wondered why Google didn't buy Sun? They propbably were at the time (and probably still are?) the biggest corporate users of both Java and JavaScript (which, of course, don't share anything beyond the name).

> the biggest corporate users of both Java

I bet AWS would give them a good run for their money on that metric. I got the impression that Google was predominately a C++ shop, whereas the rumor mills tell me that most of the AWS control plane is in Java (I am pretty sure I've actually gotten a stack trace from an AWS API once or twice, but foolishly I didn't save it)

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by homebrewer »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #76
r_lee wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the kind of media attention / clout they'll get for "beating Oracle" etc. They absolutely do get material gains from this, should they succeed. It'd be a much more legitimate effort if they were just asking people to raise funds for e.g. OpenJS to file suit etc.

I want Deno to succeed. They already have enough challenges between bun and Node taking all of their good ideas and incorporating them. I want the ecosystem to have more options. This is Oracle we are talking about here. I would cut off my nose to spite Oracle’s face if necessary, they are some of the worst corporate actors in the history of the world. And that is not an exaggeration.

Nobody forced them into this, they poked the bear thinking it will get them an easy win and good publicity, and are now slowly falling into the abyss.

You're wasting your money. I honestly can't believe the number of people here thinking this is anything but a marketing stunt gone too far. We just had a series of major packages being infected with malware, how about putting $200k towards solving that?

Now that, if successful, would bring real immense benefits to all JS users.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by neilv »

snovymgodym wrote: post #150
siva7 wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

Yet somehow ECMAScript was a worse name.

I think of JavaScript as Eczema.
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