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EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by avazhi »

magicalist wrote: post #137
avazhi wrote: post #111

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They did cover it up. But there was no evidence that they used PFAS in order to make people sick, which is what the original commenter said. There's a massive difference.

> But there was no evidence that they used PFAS in order to make people sick, which is what the original commenter said No, the said > If companies can freely poison everyone, profits go up Which has played out again and again in history. It's a lot cheaper to dump industrial solvents out the back door than pay for proper disposal, and if there's no legal repercussions stopping it, someone can just do it and watch pr…

> or they want people to get sick and die.

Actually this is what he said, and what I was referring to.

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by Havoc »

rajup wrote: post #28

Do RO filters eliminate these chemicals?

Bit of research suggests even counter top filters help, though with very wide range of opinions as to how much it helps and which PFAS it does work against (there are thousands)

https://www.epa.gov/water-research/identifying-drinking-wate...

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Post by sedawkgrep »

tombert wrote: post #94
sedawkgrep wrote: post #61

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If you view all this through the lens of the goal of administration being to weaken the US both internally and as a world power, it all comes much more clearly into focus. Then it can be seen as no longer a disparate collection of seemingly random political, social, and economic moves, but rather as a directed, intentional movement.

Still kind of baffles me that people voted for this, ostensibly to somehow lower grocery price by raising tariffs. Or, you know, they actually had really racist reasons and are using the grocery prices thing as an excuse. Who's to say?

I think it's much bigger than racism.

Take a look at the administration's first term and all the involvement and ties (financial, political, etc.) there are to Russia (and Russian-related objectives like Ukraine). It sounds bonkers, but the more you dig in and see how closely tied the relationships have been, and then see how totally soft Trump has been towards Putin/Russia - including direct actions towards Ukraine like removing the long-term diplomats, stopping weapons sales and aid, and recently killing USAID (whose #1 beneficiary was Ukraine) - it all coalesces into a single coherent view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates...

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by AHatLikeThat »

throw0101a wrote: post #27
Apreche wrote: post #7

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> As for people getting sick and dying, they either don’t care, or they want people to get sick and die. Healthcare providers and insurance companies are corporations too: you can get rich by treating more people.

I'd argue the insurance companies prefer to collect premiums and not treat people.

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Post by hypeatei »

nulld3v wrote: post #129
hypeatei wrote: post #89

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You're referring to very far left circles that definitely don't represent liberals or more moderate Dems. I agree though, those circles consist of single-issue voters (e.g. palestine) that harm actual progress.

The "Palestine" issue is single-issue on the surface, but it is often used because it is a succint way to package a broad set of desired foreign policy changes: more cooperation with the Islamic world, less aggression/hegemony, and less money fed to insatiable MIC. Personally I do not see how we can afford to maintain the MIC for much longer, so these issues are very important to me.

Fair enough. Would you sit out an election over this issue, though? Especially where the other option is Trump?

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Post by somenameforme »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #96
the__alchemist wrote: post #60

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This is also a key part of it. People should explore the complexity instead of treating this as team sports. I think we have a genetic disposition to this sort of thinking, but can overcome it.

From the posted article: > EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections > The move continues to expose communities across the country to toxic forever chemicals in tap water If this really were a "team sport", one half of the team wouldn't be set on undermining the health of the other half of the team.

Rolling back PFAS protections would not simply affect "the other half of the team", it would affect everybody. If there isn't some context missing here, this is an action that would be ubiquitously unpopular, let alone when contrasted against the goals of MAHA.

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Post by supportengineer »

chung8123 wrote: post #33
Apreche wrote: post #7

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This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

Take one step backwards. Do cockroaches debate with the boot heel that comes to squish them? The billionaires are not “debating” anything with the “little people”

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Post by righthand »

DrewADesign wrote: post #110
hypeatei wrote: post #89

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You're referring to very far left circles that definitely don't represent liberals or more moderate Dems. I agree though, those circles consist of single-issue voters (e.g. palestine) that harm actual progress.

Yeah the centrist dems— the vast majority of currently elected democrats— are really knocking it out of the park. It’s the tiny handful of actual progressives that snuck through the DNC’s fortress walls that are messing everything up with their pesky fringe principles… that also poll extremely well with the general public.

Moderates being the majority platform on both sides blaming their minority “extremeist” wing for their failures is step one of most US political debates.

It’s those dang progressives and their policies that moderates push through for election appeal then turn around and partially implement and defund and finger point and blame when those policies then fail after being setup to do so.

If you can’t blame progressives then you can’t get elected in this country.

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Post by absurddoctor »

avazhi wrote: post #47
Apreche wrote: post #7

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I wonder if you misunderstood what the commenter was saying. It isn’t that the goal of the companies is to make people sick as you suggest, it’s that the goal of the companies is to increase profits, and they don’t want concerns over people’s health to be a constraint on that goal.
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