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Re: Models of European metro stations

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Post by rsynnott »

wkat4242 wrote: post #145
rsynnott wrote: post #133

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Are there at least multiple entrances? Dublin's main station, Connolly, is actually the amalgamation of two stations, one terminal station and one through station, which were originally owned by different companies before the rail system was nationalised. The only entrances are through the terminal station, so to get to the through lines, you need to walk for about 10 minutes through the terminal station (making them…

It's a bit crazy though that the stations aren't connected. If you want to go from Galway to Belfast you have to go across the city from Heuston station to Connolly. Very annoying with baggage even though these days there's the Luas. And there is actually a rail connection between the two stations (going up to the north from just before Heuston). They could have a quick service between the two. A bit like the dart in…

As part of DART+ Southwest, they're building a new station, Heuston West, where the disused Heuston Platform 10 (the one with the through lines) is now. It'll. be on the DART line and provide service to, presumably, Grand Canal Dock, via the Phoenix Park Tunnel (some commuter trains from Grand Canal Dock already use the tunnel and pass Heuston, but platform 10 hasn't been in use since before the tunnel was reopened). I'd assume that Houston and Heuston West will be linked. Won't be done til 2029, tho, and if any part of it slips it will be building the new station (Irish Rail is historically bad at that).

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Post by pezezin »

wkat4242 wrote: post #140
kjkjadksj wrote: post #118

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It is illegal in all kinds of places. The question is not the letter of the law but if police enforce the law.

This is Japan, not Spain. I'd imagine the law is enforced pretty strictly like all their social rules are too.

You'd imagine, but do you know for sure? As an Spanish guy living in Japan, I can tell you that I see plenty of laws consistently broken here in ways that would never fly in Spain. For example, the way the average Japanese drives, or the need for women-only train cars.

Please stop thinking that Japan is some superior society where everything is perfect.

Re: Models of European metro stations

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Post by N19PEDL2 »

decimalenough wrote: post #26

Here's a zoomable 3D model of the world's busiest train station, Shinjuku in Tokyo: https://satoshi7190.github.io/Shinjuku-indoor-threejs-demo/ 3.6 million passengers per day . Wikipedia: The main East Japan Railway Company (JR East) station and the directly adjacent private railways have a total of 35 platforms, an underground arcade, above-ground arcade and numerous hallways with another 17 platforms (52 total) tha…

> https://satoshi7190.github.io/Shinjuku-indoor-threejs-demo/

This is impressive! What tools did they use to make that 3D map?

Re: Models of European metro stations

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Post by 1718627440 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #143
kmarc wrote: post #86

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To be precise it flows above (and under) the tracks, as in, perpendicular, not "in between" parallel tracks. BTW Hbf is a München thing, we call our beloved Zürich Hauptbahnhof just HB :-)

I think Hbf is a Germany thing not just Munich.

Yes it is.

Re: Models of European metro stations

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Post by 1718627440 »

rsynnott wrote: post #40
sschueller wrote: post #20

Wow, very nice project. The ones in Zürich are not actually metro stations. They where built to be, but then the city voted against a metro. The stations that were already built were converted into tram stations. There where some complications like that fact the the tram is almost too tall to fit. The pantograph is almost fully compressed when the tram enters the tunnel. The trams also switch to the left side as the…

> The trams also switch to the left side as the doors are only one side. ... Wait, what? That seems like a serious false economy...

You might think you could just have trams with doors on both sides, but the geometry isn't expandable, so you're really just trading capacity. The station needs to be built anyway, so the costs of building the tracks differently isn't that high.

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Post by dmoy »

kevin_p wrote: post #138
numpad0 wrote: post #122

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> 3-4x less passengers than Shinjuku Exactly what I meant by comparable - those are within 10x. The up to date, yet still suspiciously Japan-dominated table on Wikipedia[1] has couple Indian and Chinese stations within top 20s, as I suspected. The must be more complete data in some non-English forms that has not been pulled into the English bubble on the WWW. I believe I've been to stations like Daimon-Hamamatsucho a…

I spent a while looking into this and it looks like it's mostly legit. Japanese stations really do seem to be bigger. Having said that, there are two big caveats that make the gap smaller. First, they're double-counting a lot of passengers in Japan. Tokyo subway isn't a single thing, it's a collection of independent companies, so you need to tap out of one station and tap back into another when changing lines. The JP…

Yea subway is definitely a whole different ball game. I've ridden Beijing subway a lot, but I was not prepared for Shanghai People's Station. Even in the off season that was nuts. Evidently down in Guangzhou there are even busier subway stations, with some exceeding 1.25m per day.

Re: Models of European metro stations

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Post by numpad0 »

kevin_p wrote: post #138
numpad0 wrote: post #122

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> 3-4x less passengers than Shinjuku Exactly what I meant by comparable - those are within 10x. The up to date, yet still suspiciously Japan-dominated table on Wikipedia[1] has couple Indian and Chinese stations within top 20s, as I suspected. The must be more complete data in some non-English forms that has not been pulled into the English bubble on the WWW. I believe I've been to stations like Daimon-Hamamatsucho a…

I spent a while looking into this and it looks like it's mostly legit. Japanese stations really do seem to be bigger. Having said that, there are two big caveats that make the gap smaller. First, they're double-counting a lot of passengers in Japan. Tokyo subway isn't a single thing, it's a collection of independent companies, so you need to tap out of one station and tap back into another when changing lines. The JP…

My point is that the list should include more of those stations with China, India, as well as various South Asian countries such as Indonesia in mind.

As in, not necessarily artificially dethroning Shinjuku, but as in someone should just take all public per-station boarding/disembarking data(I think even China would not have issues with that so long it's genuinely compiled for scientific research purposes), run it through LLM or something to build a big CSV of all train stations on the world, sort that, and take top hundreds. This type of crowdsourced review work is only done for Japan due to Japan being Japan for better and worse - e.g. having high mental shares, thin and wide basic knowledge of English, having obsessive cultures, etc etc, and I can't believe it's simple reflection of reality, even accounting for such things as the first point in your comment in mind.

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Post by nornij »

numpad0 wrote: post #158
kevin_p wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent a while looking into this and it looks like it's mostly legit. Japanese stations really do seem to be bigger. Having said that, there are two big caveats that make the gap smaller. First, they're double-counting a lot of passengers in Japan. Tokyo subway isn't a single thing, it's a collection of independent companies, so you need to tap out of one station and tap back into another when changing lines. The JP…

My point is that the list should include more of those stations with China, India, as well as various South Asian countries such as Indonesia in mind. As in, not necessarily artificially dethroning Shinjuku, but as in someone should just take all public per-station boarding/disembarking data(I think even China would not have issues with that so long it's genuinely compiled for scientific research purposes), run it th…

When I read this and your other comments, it sounds like its less about the information, but that you have some strange obsession/annoyance with Japan and its culture. I wonder why.

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Post by wkat4242 »

pezezin wrote: post #152
wkat4242 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is Japan, not Spain. I'd imagine the law is enforced pretty strictly like all their social rules are too.

You'd imagine, but do you know for sure? As an Spanish guy living in Japan, I can tell you that I see plenty of laws consistently broken here in ways that would never fly in Spain. For example, the way the average Japanese drives, or the need for women-only train cars. Please stop thinking that Japan is some superior society where everything is perfect.

Oh no I don't think it's perfect at all. It would be a horror for me with all the formalities. It would be like a minefield for me. I can only be myself.

But I didn't realise women were in danger on trains. That doesn't happen here, no. Well, it does incidentally but not to the point that women-only cars are warranted, luckily. But Spain is still a pretty patriarchal society.

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