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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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nomel wrote: post #138
adamiscool8 wrote: post #128

>We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Citation needed or this is just more vibe-xecutive decree.

Corporate analysts were "gifted" with a two impossibly rare step functions, that will probably never be repeated in our lifetimes: Near 100% -> near 0% percent in office, then 0% percent -> partial% in office. With most (all?) of the big companies following the same path, I think it's safe to assume the data points to the same conclusion: in whole, humans work better together. It makes you wonder if it's a fundamenta…

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by scarface_74 »

neilv wrote: post #145
scarface_74 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? As long as it isn’t discriminatory, since 49 of the 50 states are at will employment, you can be let go at anytime for any reason or no reason. It might come into play with unemployment insurance but the weekly amount is so low it’s laughable.

For better or worse, neither of us is a lawyer, but I'm comfortable in saying that the affected people should: Talk. To. A. Lawyer. Isn't that better than us random Internet people telling them -- although we think something shitty is going on -- they definitely don't have a case, and they definitely shouldn't talk to a lawyer? (For all we know, an actual lawyer might tell them that they actually do have a case.)

It really doesn’t take a lawyer to know what “at will employment” means.

A case for what unless it’s discriminatory. Your employer doesn’t have to justify letting you go - at all.

Even looking at your citation, it shows that constructive dismissal is only actionable if you can show that they made working conditions harder and they were targeting you under a law meant to protect you against discrimination

Companies have been giving employees an ultimatum between “relocate or quit” forever.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by surgical_fire »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #128

>We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Citation needed or this is just more vibe-xecutive decree.

There's no data that proves it. If they had the data they would parade it in front of everyone.

The elites that rule those companies always had WFH as a benefit for as long as I remember. They find it very icky that the underclasses have now a benefit that was exclusive to them. That's the only data there is.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by JohnFen »

nomel wrote: post #138
adamiscool8 wrote: post #128

>We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Citation needed or this is just more vibe-xecutive decree.

Corporate analysts were "gifted" with a two impossibly rare step functions, that will probably never be repeated in our lifetimes: Near 100% -> near 0% percent in office, then 0% percent -> partial% in office. With most (all?) of the big companies following the same path, I think it's safe to assume the data points to the same conclusion: in whole, humans work better together. It makes you wonder if it's a fundamenta…

> With most (all?) of the big companies following the same path, I think it's safe to assume the data points to the same conclusion

That is, at best, very weak evidence supporting your conclusion.

I agree, by the way, that humans do work better together. That doesn't mean, however, that humans work better in an office environment. There are huge drawbacks to that environment that may very well exceed the benefit of physical proximity.

"Humans work better together" is a very different assertion than "humans work better in offices".

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #136
adamiscool8 wrote: post #128

>We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Citation needed or this is just more vibe-xecutive decree.

Anecdotal evidence to counter this argument. Work at a fortune 200 company. We spent COVID all 100% remote WFH. After several quarters of their entire workforce working remotely, they were gushing about how productivity increased, satisfaction scores went through the roof and the company recorded several record breaking quarters in revenue during a time they expected the exact opposite to happen. This inevitably lead…

1. Will you name? Sounds like some sane management; those looking for jobs might find that a useful datapoint.

2. I think making it proportional to the length of the commute is an interesting idea. And even for those who don't like the office... two days a week with a short commute isn't terrible.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #138
adamiscool8 wrote: post #128

>We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Citation needed or this is just more vibe-xecutive decree.

Corporate analysts were "gifted" with a two impossibly rare step functions, that will probably never be repeated in our lifetimes: Near 100% -> near 0% percent in office, then 0% percent -> partial% in office. With most (all?) of the big companies following the same path, I think it's safe to assume the data points to the same conclusion: in whole, humans work better together. It makes you wonder if it's a fundamenta…

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by yifanl »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #150
boringg wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also -- why is Teams such trash? It can barely fulfill its core responsibility.

Has Microsoft built anything in the last decade that isn’t of questionable quality/user experience?

There's no question to the quality of Copilot.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by fuzzy2 »

yifanl wrote: post #157
PUSH_AX wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Microsoft built anything in the last decade that isn’t of questionable quality/user experience?

There's no question to the quality of Copilot.

Is there? And which Copilot is that? Github? Office 365? Windows? Yet another?

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by PUSH_AX »

yifanl wrote: post #157
PUSH_AX wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Microsoft built anything in the last decade that isn’t of questionable quality/user experience?

There's no question to the quality of Copilot.

I was under the impression GitHub built and maintained that, but perhaps that’s changed… If not I wouldn’t consider it a Microsoft built product like windows etc (yes I’m aware ms owns gh)
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