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U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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The good news is that these economic problems are entirely the result of bad policies and can be reversed. If we were to also raise broad based taxes, it would allow the Fed to cut interest rates, stoking long term investment, loosen up the housing market (which would allow more people to move), lower the Federal deficit, and improve the trade balance (as if that actually mattered).

The effect of a bad policy doesn't necessarily end when the policy does. The economy has inertia so some effects, such as inflation, are self-reinforcing and need active undoing even when the policy is relaxed.

Correct. We’re not reversing things anytime soon, and the longer things stay like this, the more damage will be done.

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If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

The interest rates were wild in 1982. My dad said that no one would lend for a mortgage, and we ended up doing seller financing to buy my childhood home. Also, not enough people talk about housing prices in high interest rate environments. Mortgage payments are the thing that tether housing prices, and act as a lever. We see it today with just an extra 4% with low housing volume and people reluctant to sell, because…

I remember a friend having a 17% mortgage, which he eventually walked away from.

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

The only people who care about that are the economists. You can also take a one time hit by getting back to the basics and forget the goddamn metrics.

You do know economic data is not used only by "economists", right? Given that you seem to dislike the word "economic" data, focus only on the data part. Tell us how politicians/policy makers run the country without data? How do they know rates have to be increased/decreased if they don't have such numbers? Through wishful and magical thinking about focusing on the basics?

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

#154

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The last one fired the BLS head because he didn't like the jobs report? Now not only are we seeing major job loss, our statisticians are intimidated and likely are no longer reporting the truth. We now have to rely upon shittier metrics because our core numbers are worthless.

> no longer Citation needed. POTUSes come and go, BLS figures have been suspect for a long time.

BLS figures have been suspect for a long time as of a month ago.

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

#155
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If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

This post is right about some things, including the general solution to staglation, and wrong about others. Paul Volker was Fed Chair between 1979 and 1987, not 1973. The 1973 crash and recession were not caused by his actions, if you had to pick a single cause, I think Opec would be it.

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Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

#156

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The effect of a bad policy doesn't necessarily end when the policy does. The economy has inertia so some effects, such as inflation, are self-reinforcing and need active undoing even when the policy is relaxed.

Correct. We’re not reversing things anytime soon, and the longer things stay like this, the more damage will be done.

At least on the US tariffs thing, congress can put Trump back in his box and revert to normalcy any time it wants to; the threat of stagflation might make it do that. The previous stagflation incident was more driven by outside forces.

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

If inflation is lower than the rate the federal reserve hikes rates to, you can ride out stagflation in money market funds and other types of income-generating investments. The real pain is when it doesn't. Stocks decline, cash declines, and there really is nowhere to hide. TIPS? I-bonds? Both are indexed to the CPI, which policymakers have loudly signaled they are okay gaming and manipulating for political favour.

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#158

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The fed was cutting rates and on track to continue until Trump threw a tariff grenade into the economy. They, like most businesses, decided they needed to see how the idiotic economic policy played out before doing anything else.

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> Literally none of the doom and gloom and TDS rhetoric has materialized

How can you say that so soon when PPI and CPI numbers come out this week? The latest PPI report from July showed a 0.9% increase which was surprising.

> massive inflow in capital into the coffers

a.k.a. higher taxes that US citizens are paying.

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#159

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Gold, make sure your debts are low, trim expenses now. Start thinking long term, what things will you need 5-10 years from now that will only be much more expensive or hard to get.

If we are heading into a period of high inflation and interest rates, holding debt now is great. High unexpected inflation means that the dollars that you use to pay off the debt are worth less, and you are locked in to a low interest rate.

> and you are locked in to a low interest rate.

Depends on the type of debt, of course. If it's a fixed term loan, and you'll definitely never need to refinance it, sure.

Re: U.S. added 911k fewer jobs in year through March than reported earlier

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If unemployment continues to rise, and the one-time impact on prices of tariffs leads to self-reinforcing high inflation, we'll have stagflation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation I sure hope not , because stagflation would be extremely unpleasant for everyone. Central banks like the Federal Reserve would be forced to raise interest rates, to put stress on businesses and consumers, so businesses find themsel…

The only people who care about that are the economists. You can also take a one time hit by getting back to the basics and forget the goddamn metrics.

... I mean, I can assure you it wasn't just the economists unhappy about stagflation.
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