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Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by cmxch »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #129
karaterobot wrote: post #91

If it turns out the dip is caused by a lag between the implementation of new tariff rules and the implementation of processes to handle them, and that in a short time traffic to the U.S. goes back to essentially its prior levels, what will that mean to the commenters in this thread? All of the hyper-rational, fact-based people in this thread, I mean. Because that seems like the most likely outcome to me.

I mean, you've biased answers here. Does "hyper-rational" allow for arguments about how this affects soft power and the relationships with foreign businesses? Does it allow adding additional tallies in the ongoing list of reasons other countries should not trust us or the dollar as a reserve? The US economy is currently being operated by a single man, who has no actual long-term plan and randomly flips levers and swi…

“ Many businesses will simply not take US orders anymore after this fiasco. Some may go out of business by the time things come back.”

Oh they will, they just will go through an intermediary.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by cmxch »

ehnto wrote: post #37
ants_everywhere wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you imagining will step into the power vacuum if the US collapses economically?

China is by far the most likely candidate, if it navigates its aging demographic issue well.

And the US will make a point to ensure that doesn’t happen.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by cmxch »

xyst wrote: post #32

demented don and pedophile of the united states strikes again. This administration continues to find new ways to make this country shittier for the common man. Lower courts recently found his tariffs to be illegal but given the corrupt state of the SCOTUS. It’s only a matter of time until it’s overturned. It’s sad that the best we can do is _delay_ the damage this demented fool is doing to this country.

Only for left leaning definitions of “common man”.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by arp242 »

justinrubek wrote: post #30
mmastrac wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From someone outside the US (Canada) and in a country that's been abused by its giant next-door neighbour -- longer than just the current, explicit abuse -- I kinda hope this recession is deep and hurts badly. We've already seen some huge, positive structural changes to our economy and a down-and-out, bleeding US will have nothing but positive effects for the rest of us. I'd have some sympathy but this is an entirely…

What a vile response. I hope you feel some of the pain that you wish to dish out. There are a lot of us in the US who don't want this bullshit and haven't wanted it. A lot.

The US spent several months threatening to annex Canada. It's still threatening to annex Greenland AFAIK. Get your house in order before getting all triggered over people being upset about that.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by michaelmrose »

linotype wrote: post #131
digital-cygnet wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot understand this sentiment. If you commit a crime in a country and don't pay the fine, why would you be surprised if they made you pay the fine next time you crossed the border? Even if it were a parking ticket I wouldn't find Canada's actions here objectionable, and DUI is a lot more serious than that. Unless I've misunderstood the scenario you're describing.

She didn’t commit the DUI in Canada, she did in the US. We were in the country for three days (Victoria) and didn't even have a car, so she couldn’t have recommitted the offense even if she wanted to, which she obviously wouldn’t want to.

She committed a serious crime and didn't pay the penalty which normally in the US comes with additional criminal penalties for non-payment. They would have been perfectly justified to extradite her and take her to jail.

Also how can you say that she couldn't offend again? She could easily rent or drive another.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by michaelmrose »

mc32 wrote: post #146
linotype wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could be said about any hobby. Why should people that like to read buy physical books? Why should people that like to take photographs print on film? Etc.

Yes but not everyone is a hobbyist so not everyone needs so much stuff. Some people’s hobby is antique car collecting. Not everyone can do it. That’s fine. I’m not mad. Today your Legos hobbyist collects “rare” sets or whatever. It’s not cheap. All I am saying is that we don’t need an overabundance of things be they junk or even quality systems. There is a useful amount and then there is excess.

You have not explained how our current policy is doing anything to achieve this goal. Notably the quote that started this subthread was specifically about rat fucking the public then dismissing their pain it would be a let them eat cake moment were it not lost in the chaos of all the other stupid heinous things he's said

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by michaelmrose »

mc32 wrote: post #149
michaelmrose wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context of the quote thus. First we argue that tariffs will bear no harm for the American people and when people plainly see prices going we change tack and argue that Americans not only should bear the pain of the tariffs in order to achieve the largely entirely imaginary gains but that they can do so merely by sacrificing unnecessary luxury. The problem is that each economic segment of society lives a live enti…

It can take a while but here is the issue. Importing cheap clothing allows people to have 30 shirts in their closet; however, on the flipside, people working as seamsters and seamstresses lose their jobs. That can mean taking lesser jobs at lesser pay and fewer benefits or leaving the labor market altogether. Underemployed or unemployed people get subsidized and that requires taxes. So the money we saved that allow u…

But we aren't actually doing that because consumer preferences and supply chains are pretty sticky.

If it costs $5 for cheap insert country here and $10 for cheap American crap worse than the 5 then 8 for cheap stuff in some other poor country with a better trade deal and $20 for good American stuff almost none of your market moves to the 20 stuff and almost all of it shifts to the $8

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by yibg »

linotype wrote: post #148
yibg wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the comparison. Was she at risk of being locked up for days or weeks? People aren't worried about being denied entry. People are worried about having their rights violated.

We were in fact worried about being locked up.

Because that’s a common thing while trying to get into Canada? Are there examples of this happening that made you worried?

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by davidw »

notpachet wrote: post #67
davidw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's everyone think is a good place for their money to be? I'm pretty vexxed by this question. To me it seems obvious that a lot of what is happening is going to hurt, both short term (tariffs) and long term (destruction of the US advantage in science), but markets have kept going up and up.

> So what's everyone think is a good place for their money to be? Reinvested into the fabric of your local community.

I do a lot of that with my time, rather than money, but it won't pay the mortgage.

Re: Postal traffic to US down by over 80% amid tariffs, UN says

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Post by mc32 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #157
mc32 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can take a while but here is the issue. Importing cheap clothing allows people to have 30 shirts in their closet; however, on the flipside, people working as seamsters and seamstresses lose their jobs. That can mean taking lesser jobs at lesser pay and fewer benefits or leaving the labor market altogether. Underemployed or unemployed people get subsidized and that requires taxes. So the money we saved that allow u…

But we aren't actually doing that because consumer preferences and supply chains are pretty sticky. If it costs $5 for cheap insert country here and $10 for cheap American crap worse than the 5 then 8 for cheap stuff in some other poor country with a better trade deal and $20 for good American stuff almost none of your market moves to the 20 stuff and almost all of it shifts to the $8

We don't and should not buy cheap crap made abroad or at home. There are still clothing manufacturers in the US (and Japan), who make quality but more expensive clothing. Instead of a $30 "throwaway" hoodie, you get a $140 hoodie that lasts. It'll last longer and it can employ your neighbor instead of letting them become meth heads due to being laid of as a seamster or seamstress, etc. It's a better quality of life for everyone.
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