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Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by IshKebab »

benrutter wrote: post #59

Tangential, but I think github's secret weapon of inertia is. . .(drumroll) github stars. They're still seen by a lot of people as a sign of project maturity and use. My unfounded suspicion is if they all dissapeared tomorrow, people would be a lot more likely to try alternative code forges. I've been using codeberg of late, more because of their politics than anything, but in all honesty the user experience between…

It's one factor but I think they have more important "secret weapons":

1. Network effects; people already have an account.

2. Free CI, especially free Mac and Windows CI.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by brabel »

skydhash wrote: post #102
mhh__ wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet this was true of computers back in the day too. The processes that are native to computers are magical but adding computers to the old is actually quite bad e.g. paperwork is better done on paper

You bet wrong. Computers were pricey enough that if you want one, you have to really need it to justify the price. It was not forced on any business.

What are you talking about?? There was lots of resistance to computers at office jobs. Even through the 90s lots of people were still avoiding moving away from the old way and companies had to spend lots of money on training because without that people quickly reverted back to their old ways! I remember that and was taught how to provide such training and how to convince people to adopt new tech! It’s always been a challenge.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by andrepd »

bookofjoe wrote: post #83
chubot wrote: post #72

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They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Honestly I think the same thing happened with self-driving cars ~10 years ago. Larry Page and Google's "submarine" marketing convinced investors and CEOs of automakers and tech companies [1] that they were going to become obsolete, and that Google would be taking all that profit. In 2016, GM acquired Cruise for $1 billion or so. It se…

Apple car project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_car_project >From 2014 until 2024, Apple undertook a research and development effort to develop an electric and self-driving car,[1] codenamed "Project Titan".[2][3] Apple never openly discussed any of its automotive research,[4] but around 5,000 employees were reported to be working on the project as of 2018.[5] In May 2018, Apple reportedly partnered with Volksw…

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by CodesInChaos »

acomjean wrote: post #38
ants_everywhere wrote: post #6

People have been voluntarily letting Microsoft host their code for years now. And before that they posted their open source code to a centralized site that wasn't open source. This is one of those things where of course it was going to happen. GitHub was VC funded, they were going to either exit to a big company or try to become one. Eventually the bill was going to come due and everyone knew this. You can choose to…

If I remember initially GitHub (before MS) was free for open source and pay for everyone else. It wasn’t an entirely new idea (source forge?) but it use git which was rising in popularity. I think GitHub added the “pull request” as a really useful add on to git and that really made it take off. Oddly I used selfhosted git at an academic institution. I liked it because it was set up to use “hooks” https://git-scm.com/…

> If I remember initially GitHub (before MS) was free for open source and pay for everyone else

When I started using it, public repositories were free, and private repositories needed a paid account.

The ToS did not require public repos to be open source, only permission for basic operations like fork (the button which clones, not creating derivative works) and download was required.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by knowitnone2 »

isn't this typical Microsoft behavior? Just look at Windows and how many components are forced upon you. Try uninstalling it, it just comes right back. Most of it, you can't even uninstall. Some you can't even unpin. That's a monopoly for you. And they steal your documents by making OneDrive the default so they can train their AI. It's malicious.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by ReptileMan »

transcriptase wrote: post #49
layer8 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub isn’t critical infrastructure, it’s only real USP is network effects.

If outages make headlines and stop whole companies in their tracks worldwide, that’s critical infrastructure, not just network effects.

>and stop whole companies in their tracks worldwide

This is a sign that their CTOs should be replaced. Not that github is critical.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by j45 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #44

I find it weird how companies talk out both sides of their mouth on AI. On the one hand it's this magical tool that will make you 10x more efficient at your job, and on the other it's something they have to market heavily and shove in your face at every turn - sometimes outright forcing you to engage with it. These two things don't seem compatible - if the tool was that good people would be beating down their doors t…

Just like someone who can figure out how to write code to solve a problem can do it while other programmers say it's not possible and just do it some other way, the same is true of AI.

One of the major issues I'm seeing is how much technical people haven't been involved in the application of AI, which leaves non-technical people to pontificate and try.

With any new tech, after the hype is gone, what remains, is adopted and used.

The internet, social media, smartphones, all seemed foreign.

LLMs are no different. They will solve things other things haven't before.

LLMs are only as good as the users using it. Users only get better at using AI but putting in the repetitions. It's not a tool that's alive or a psychic.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by flykespice »

IshKebab wrote: post #112
flykespice wrote: post #34

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> Is this actually a real problem? I mean if Microsoft is "training" on your source code without consent (and potentially violating licenses) , that is a huge problem. > I also checked the Rust compiler which is obviously waaaay more popular and it appears to have had zero copilot PRs How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)?

> training Not what this is about. > How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)? Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot.

> Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot.

So Github copilot forces your PR to tag them as coauthored by Copilot or users can be slick without mentioning it?

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by j45 »

karlshea wrote: post #145
Rover222 wrote: post #97

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Not really your main point, but Tesla self driving is quite incredible, despite what internet clickbait says. They have a clear path to full autonomy with vision-only systems. But yeah, certainly 5-7 years behind the initial schedule. Which I guess was more of your point.

You’re still falling for it. They have a clear path to vision-only autonomy IN THE BAY AREA. Let’s see it work in Minnesota in the winter where you can’t see lane markings, everything is white, and the camera lenses immediately get covered with road salt spray.

For now.

It's important to not confuse activity, with progress, with results.

At the same time, it's important to not confuse or downplay results, with progress, with activity.

There seems to be activity, progress, and results. It seems to be speeding up.

I don't have any preference for or against Tesla. Just observing.

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