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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by not_your_vase »

rustystump wrote: post #144
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

Tbh dawg, those tasks sound intentionally obtuse. It looks like u are doing more esoteric work than the crud react slop us mortals play in on the daily which is where ai shines.

I work almost exclusively with embedded devices, with low level code (mostly C, Rust, Assembly and related frameworks) - and that's where I also ask for help from LLMs.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by xoac »

designerarvid wrote: post #143
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

I guess many find comfort in being able to task an ai with assignments that it cannot complete. Most sr developers I work with take this approach. It's not really a good way of assessing the usefulness of a tool though.

He asked what he was doing wrong?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by drodgers »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

> What am I doing wrong

Trying two things and giving up. It's like opening a REPL for a new language, typing some common commands you're familiar with, getting some syntax errors, then giving up.

You need how to learn to use your tools to get the best out of them!

Start by thinking about what you'd need to tell a new Junior human dev you'd never met before about the task if you could only send a single email to spec it out. There are shortcuts, but that's a good starting place.

In this case, I'd specifically suggest:

1. Write a CLAUDE.md listing the toolchains you want to work with, giving context for your projects, and listing the specific build, test etc. commands you work with on your system (including any helpful scripts/aliases you use). Start simple; you can have claude add to it as you find new things that you need to tell it or that it spends time working out (so that you don't need to do that every time).

2. In your initial command, include a pointer to an example project using similar tech in a directory that claude can read

3. Ask it to come up with a plan and ask for your approval before starting

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by pell »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

In my experience Claude is quite good at the popular stacks in the JavaScript, Python and PHP world. It struggled quite a bit when I asked it non-trivial questions in C or Rust for example. For smaller languages (e.g., Crystal) it seems to hallucinate a lot. I think since a lot of people work in JS, Python and PHP, that’s where Claude is very valuable and that’s where a lot of the praise feel justified too.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by doctorpangloss »

Lammy wrote: post #118

Interesting to think about how Apple get to make product decisions based on Gatekeeper OCSP analytics now that every app launch phones home. They must know exactly how popular VSCode is. Facebook got excoriated for doing that with Onavo but I guess it's Good Actually when it's done in the name of protecting my computer from myself lol

Apple doesn't need telemetry to send emails about their favorite coding AI to the 2 Xcode users

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by xoac »

not_your_vase wrote: post #151
rustystump wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh dawg, those tasks sound intentionally obtuse. It looks like u are doing more esoteric work than the crud react slop us mortals play in on the daily which is where ai shines.

I work almost exclusively with embedded devices, with low level code (mostly C, Rust, Assembly and related frameworks) - and that's where I also ask for help from LLMs.

Did you intentionally pick your career to make the AI look bad?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by dboon »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

Real vibe coding is fake, especially for something niche like what you asked it to do. Imagine a hyperactive eidetic fresh out of high school was literally sitting in the other room. What would you tell her? That’s a good rule of thumb for the level of detail and guidance

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

> What am I doing wrong?

Providing a woefully inadequate descriptions to others (Claude & us) and still expecting useful responses?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by mm263 »

mm263 wrote: post #147
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

Try this prompt: Create a detailed step by step plan to implement a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton for Pi Pico with configured st7789 SPI display drivers Ask Opus or Gemini 2.5 Pro to write a plan. Then ask the other to critique it and fix mistakes. Then ask Sonnet to implement

I tried this myself and IMO, this might be basic and day-to-day for you, with unambiguous correct paths to follow, but this is pretty niche nevertheless. LLMs thrive when there's a wealth of examples and I struggle to Google what you asked myself, meaning that LLM will perform even worse than my try.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by _boffin_ »

xoac wrote: post #152
designerarvid wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess many find comfort in being able to task an ai with assignments that it cannot complete. Most sr developers I work with take this approach. It's not really a good way of assessing the usefulness of a tool though.

He asked what he was doing wrong?

too big of tasks. break them down and then proceed from there. have it build out task lists in a TASKS.md. review those tasks. do you agree? no? work with it to refine. implement one by one. have it add the tests. refactor after awhile as {{model}} doesn't like to do utility functions a lot. right now, about +50k lines in to a project that's vibecoded. i sit back and direct and it plays.

Imagine the CS 100 class where they ask you to make a PB&J. saying for it to make it, there's a lot of steps, but determine known the steps. implement each step. progress.

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