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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by HPsquared »

dijit wrote: post #116
lokar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have fair and competitive elections, no?

our two party system means that more often than not you are voting against some party having power. The left wing has been vote split for some time, now the tight wing is getting vote split. It’s not a fair characterisation to say that the UK government is popular, the last actually popular government was probably Tony Blair (though many regret him in hindsight), though Boris had his followers I guess.

Popular politicians tend to do the most damage.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Bender »

1gn15 wrote: post #145
Bender wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way it does not exist any more. Most of the threads are started by 4chan-GPT yes this is a thing and most replies to threads are 4chan-GPT. They uses 4chan passes to allow proxies and not have to deal with a craptcha. Anyone could start their own chan, implement GPT bots and have the same level of popularity. I would wager a dozen HN'ers could implement this in a day. I think the goal on 4chan is controlling the…

I frequent the NSFW boards and that doesn't seem to be the case? And if it is the case... I guess it's so undetectable that it doesn't matter anyway.

I doubt GPT is posting NSFW content. I think /b/ is mostly teen boys on the cell phones at school. Prior to 2012 it was diverse porn but then it started to lean heavily into gay porn. I don't know what to make of that. Perhaps Pornhub does not have enough gay porn and they are filling the void?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by gnfargbl »

general1726 wrote: post #118
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

Step 5 is problematic because when people won't put www.4chan.com but will type 4chan into address bar (90% users are doing exactly that) it will trigger search and will easily find some AMPed URL, URL shortener or subdomain to click on.

HMG can compel Google not to offer AMPed 4chan in the UK, and can compel ISPs to block mirrors in DNS and by IP. URL shorteners are just a client-side indirection and won't circumvent a block.

There's really nothing that they can realistically do about VPNs, however.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by donperignon »

Bender wrote: post #60
okasaki wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK site blocking isn't done with DNS. I think they mess with routes at the ISP level. There's not much you can do except use a VPN.

4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK. 4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

spain block CF every weekend to try to avoid football piracy. crazy, but its happening and nobody cares.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by bananalychee »

fruitworks wrote: post #41

I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

If that were the case I'd expect them to block UK IPs (or ignore the threats entirely) rather than fighting it legally.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by lokar »

macinjosh wrote: post #146
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

I agree. But it does matter if you want to do more then rant on the internet. If there is public support you need to educate people and change minds.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by dpc050505 »

macinjosh wrote: post #146
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

The form of government that applies democracy is rooted in the ideology that the majority knows best, which is the ideological version of democracy.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by pegasus »

macinjosh wrote: post #146
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

Parent was correctly pointing out that responsibility for whatever troubles the UK might be actually encountering should be distributed as democratically as its form of government actually is.

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Post by lupusreal »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #58
fruitworks wrote: post #41

I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

If the owner doesn't care about it and it's got such a strong network effect, what's stopping somebody from buying it and implementing the SomethingAwful monetization model, where it's free until you get banned and then $10 for every unbanning?

Nobody besides Hiroshima Moot is dumb enough to buy 4chan.

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Post by M95D »

nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

We need a DNS server with a history database, not just a cache, preferably with a distributed history database.

Visit a website and it was blocked by the "official" DNS? Declare the IP invalid in the webUI (or the browser plugin) of the local DNS and it will get you the previous IP from the database.

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