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> > No, but you could do enough of it in secret with Elon Musk resources to prove that it's both planetarily viable and doesn't cause catastrophes by existing and then lend your political weight to having it scaled up globally. By the time the public heard about it, it would already be a done deal. > Mind doing some math and showing your work? I don’t see how anyone could spend tens or hundreds of billions of dollars…
Hell, I just want to see the math on how much they think it would cost.
Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates
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> If at least the US got in line with the rest of the world, we would be half-way there. China and India would like a word with you
Per-capita? But even so, in the future it'll be small consolation to think "nothing to be done, someone else was worse"
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#153Apparently I have cool climate plants: apple, avocado, lavender those are germinated from seeds and blackberry, and fig from cuttings also living in a hot and humid climate. Definitely they can grow here, but can they be farmed? Of course not without expensive climate controls
Blackberry and it's variants like dewberry are very common in the south and do fine in the high heat and humidity. It's almost impossible to kill. I have 4 different varieties growing wild and in planters at my house. I also have many apple trees and they do struggle - even the native varieties. I think that's mainly due to fungus, aphids, and the poor soil though. No idea about avocado.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Per-capita? But even so, in the future it'll be small consolation to think "nothing to be done, someone else was worse"
Why consider per Capita? The climate does not care about arbitrary per Capita metrics, it cares about absolute volumes and India and China are the ones you need to tackle.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why consider per Capita? The climate does not care about arbitrary per Capita metrics, it cares about absolute volumes and India and China are the ones you need to tackle.
Why consider per country? The climate doesn't care about arbitrary lines on a map either
“Why per capita?” - many people have an innate desire for ‘fairness’ and assigning some degree of accountability (or expectation of impact of mitigating changes) based 1-1 per person, appeals to that. It also bypasses thinking about the larger overall problem, while giving a degree of apparent control to them as individuals. And let’s them blame other individual for the problem if it doesn’t get fixed.
“Why per country?” - because anyone trying to actually accomplish anything realizes that issues of this scale are not really resolvable through individuals making decisions against their incentives, but at best national policy making - but really international treaties to change incentives. The atmosphere is the largest ‘commons’ we have, except perhaps the oceans.
Perhaps not even then. Since every country has an incentive to avoid actual accountability for their own actions, while pawning off the consequences onto someone else, and managing that type of situation typically requires an overarching authority. And no sovereign (for good reasons!) wants to bend the knee to a foreign power. And any international authority is necessarily going to be foreign to everyone to some extent.
So attempting to assign accountability at the coarsest level of sovereign control on that front feels most actionable.
Really I expect things will get much worse until individual countries start doing emergency geo-engineering to attempt to stop widespread famine, out of control flooding, or lethal heat waves, making it worse for some, better for others but rather randomly.
I’m honestly surprised India hasn’t already started. I’m guessing within the next decade or two.
This will lead to other countries starting wars with them to attempt to control such behavior, until some sort of international accords can be worked out - where the rich countries will prosper, and the poor countries will be fucked. As usual.
But people call me an Optimist. You don’t want to hear what I say when I’m being cynical.
Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates
#156In southern Sweden the vast spruce forests are starting to die because of the spruce bark beetle. You can see it everywhere now. Supposedly due to warmer summers. And new planatation replace spruce by larch or leaf trees. Luckily they don't seem to affect pine trees, but they have their own climate expectations.
It is actually because of drier summers and monoculture. The more spruce there is the more they beetles there are.
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do you mean greenhouse? I guess in this case it would have to be greenhouse with good AC?
AC drops your humidity first and cools second. Plants like water and humidity, when cool weather plants (sometimes especially cool weather plants).
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It is actually because of drier summers and monoculture. The more spruce there is the more they beetles there are.
So, the percentage of the forest that are spruce has increased dramatically in recent years? Seems unlikely that they bothered planting their own forests.
And there is probably truth in the comment about monoculture. Changes in forestry also moves very slow. The trees you cut down now were planted during WWII.