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Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by extraisland »

crikeykangaroo wrote: post #145
extraisland wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not talking about the Africans. They are talking about the British. Immigration has had many negative effects on social cohesion in the UK. That is just an unfortunate fact. That is obvious if you have lived in poorer areas of some the cities in the UK. When this subject is normally broached on TV channels such as the BBC. The argument often put forth is that we should accept large amounts of immigration bec…

Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair... But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly so).

> Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair

That is how many of the left talk about it. Some are more coy than others, but nonetheless that is the theme.

I certainly don't care for it and I certainly doesn't endear me to anyone making the argument.

> But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly so).

So? The vast majority of the people in country had nothing to do with those events.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by crikeykangaroo »

extraisland wrote: post #151
crikeykangaroo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair... But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly so).

> Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair That is how many of the left talk about it. Some are more coy than others, but nonetheless that is the theme. I certainly don't care for it and I certainly doesn't endear me to anyone making the argument. > But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly s…

Well... Too bad the government is (supposedly?) democratically elected by its people? Such actions may have consequences.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by extraisland »

crikeykangaroo wrote: post #152
extraisland wrote: post #151

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> Well, I wouldn't say punishment is exactly fair That is how many of the left talk about it. Some are more coy than others, but nonetheless that is the theme. I certainly don't care for it and I certainly doesn't endear me to anyone making the argument. > But your government did not pay for reparations either, while at the same time, your government does hold other countries for doing so in their own wars (validly s…

Well... Too bad the government is (supposedly?) democratically elected by its people? Such actions may have consequences.

That unfortunately is a common fallacy that people engage in.

In the first chapter of "Anatomy of the State" this idea is utterly demolished.

> With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, “we are the government.” The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “committed suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fallacy to a greater or lesser degree.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by subsistence234 »

archagon wrote: post #97
subsistence234 wrote: post #96

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> hardly the migrants fault Of course not, but it's the fault of whoever lobbied for and passed those laws. > we are inviting them. Who is this "we"? It's not the British people.

> It's not the British people. Maybe not you , but plenty of British people support immigration. Believe it or not.

not the majority. not even close.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by subsistence234 »

defrost wrote: post #99
subsistence234 wrote: post #96

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> hardly the migrants fault Of course not, but it's the fault of whoever lobbied for and passed those laws. > we are inviting them. Who is this "we"? It's not the British people.

The British people, of course, includes those British Nationals with English as a first language, who served in the British armed forces in World War Two. The UK government, needing workers to help fill post-war labour shortages and rebuild the economy, invited many British people to come to the metropole. Like all those dark skinned folk of the Windrush generation, and a good number of people who came across to the…

the majority of brits did not consent, and it's not even close.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by defrost »

subsistence234 wrote: post #155
defrost wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The British people, of course, includes those British Nationals with English as a first language, who served in the British armed forces in World War Two. The UK government, needing workers to help fill post-war labour shortages and rebuild the economy, invited many British people to come to the metropole. Like all those dark skinned folk of the Windrush generation, and a good number of people who came across to the…

the majority of brits did not consent, and it's not even close.

Which group of immigrants are 'the brits' again?

The Celts, the Saxons, the Romans, the Danes, the Normans, the French, etc?

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by subsistence234 »

defrost wrote: post #156
subsistence234 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the majority of brits did not consent, and it's not even close.

Which group of immigrants are 'the brits' again? The Celts, the Saxons, the Romans, the Danes, the Normans, the French, etc?

Ethnic Brits are the people whose majority of ancestors two centuries ago were living on the British Isles.

But I was talking about Brits in a wider sense -- the people with British passports and voting rights at the time when those mass migration laws were passed. Which happened against their consent.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by defrost »

subsistence234 wrote: post #157
defrost wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which group of immigrants are 'the brits' again? The Celts, the Saxons, the Romans, the Danes, the Normans, the French, etc?

Ethnic Brits are the people whose majority of ancestors two centuries ago were living on the British Isles. But I was talking about Brits in a wider sense -- the people with British passports and voting rights at the time when those mass migration laws were passed. Which happened against their consent.

Ethnic Brits are immigrants .. all the way down. Wave after wave of them.

> the people whose majority of ancestors two centuries ago were living on the British Isles.

So .. not the House of Windsor then.

> Brits in a wider sense -- Which happened against their consent.

Near as I understand British history not much happened with the broad consent of the masses, hence all the castles and defensive structures built to protect "rulers" from "ethnic brits".

The people that migrated to Britain in the Windrush generation were also British citizens, if you check your history you may recall a long phase in which the then ethnic British majority (who all originated from outside of Britain having cleansed the prior group of ethnic brits) went about claiming large chunks of other peoples multi-generation lands as their own and dabbling in more than a smidgen of miscegenation.

This is just history, beware the seeds you sow, they have a way of coming home to roost.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by globular-toast »

subsistence234 wrote: post #98
globular-toast wrote: post #18

Where is 100k for a house deposit coming from?! Don't most people start with a way smaller deposit? Like 5% is common these days. Yes you'll pay an enormous amount of interest. You pay rent to the owning class one way or another.

> Don't most people start with a way smaller deposit? Like 5% is common these days. 5% down is insane. predatory lending IMHO.

Not really. It's secured against the house so worst case is the lender repossesses. Either way, unless you have money you will be paying rent to the people who do, either via rent or interest payments. Yeah, I don't like it either, but that's the game.

The OP makes it seem like renting and saving huge piles of cash is the only way. It's not. You can buy and save into your house instead. As long as interest plus maintenance etc is the same as what you would have paid in rent, you'll probably end up better off if house ownership is your goal.

Re: Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK

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Post by subsistence234 »

defrost wrote: post #158
subsistence234 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethnic Brits are the people whose majority of ancestors two centuries ago were living on the British Isles. But I was talking about Brits in a wider sense -- the people with British passports and voting rights at the time when those mass migration laws were passed. Which happened against their consent.

Ethnic Brits are immigrants .. all the way down. Wave after wave of them. > the people whose majority of ancestors two centuries ago were living on the British Isles. So .. not the House of Windsor then. > Brits in a wider sense -- Which happened against their consent. Near as I understand British history not much happened with the broad consent of the masses, hence all the castles and defensive structures built to p…

nobody is falling for this nonsense anymore.
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