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Those petitions aren't really worth anything - governments have ignored ones with over six million signatures before. And they also ignored this one a few years back that had just under 700,000 signatures to "make verified ID a requirement for opening a social media account": https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/575833 Ironically, the primary reason they gave for rejecting it was: > However, restricting…

The other point is that recent polls suggest the British public are overwhelmingly in support of this legislation [0], which is not reflected in most of the narrative we see online. Whether they support how it has been implemented is a different matter, but the desire to do something is clear. [0] https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202...

A good reminder that certain circles are just the vocal minority and under the surface society is mostly just NPCs.

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This is about the duties of a "category 1 service" under the Online Safety Act. Wikipedia is one mostly because of their size, I believe. These duties are quite onerous, and over the top (someone might say that the government is seeing adults are real "snowflakes" these days): Large user-to-user services, known as Category 1 services, will be required to offer adult users tools which, if they choose to use, will give…

Conducting risk assessments and impact assessments regularly. Providing transparency reports and cooperating fully with Ofcom.

This is the sort of regulatory compliance that has stifled European businesses for decades. Useless overhead.

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Wikimedia should block UK access. That will get the attention of media and popularity contest politicians might change their mind. Remember the "Repeal the Online Safety Act" petition? It has gotten over half a million signatures and the response from the government was a loud "no". > The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and eff…

> Wikimedia should block UK access. That will get the attention of media and popularity contest politicians might change their mind. Or they could respect the democratic decisions of the countries they do business in? I'm quite critical of the implementation of this legislation but the idea of an American company throwing their weight around trying to influence policy decisions in the UK gives me the ick. Fair enough…

> Or they could respect the democratic decisions of the countries they do business in?

Well, the OSA was put into law by the Tories in 2023. The democratic decision of the UK was that they resoundingly rejected what the Tories were doing in the landslide win for Labour in the 2024 GE. I'd quite like UKGOV to respect the democratic decisions of the country and if they won't, I'm quite happy for other people to push back via the courts, public opinion, etc.

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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One of the most interesting things about this legislation is where it comes from.

Primarily it was drafted and lobbied for by William Perrin OBE and Prof Lorna Woods at Carnegie UK[1], billed as an “independent foundation”.

William Perrin is also the founder of Ofcom. So he’s been using the foundation’s money to lobby for the expansion of his unelected quango.

It has also been suggested that one of the largest beneficiaries of this law, an age verification company called Yoti, also has financial ties to Carnegie UK.

It’s difficult to verify that because Yoti is privately held and its backers are secret.

It’s not as if anyone was surprised that teenagers can get round age blocks in seconds so there’s something going on and it stinks.

1. https://carnegieuk.org/team/william-perrin-obe/

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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What I hate most about this latest push is that people in their 30s are trying to convince us all that blocking children's access to porn and such is the issue. As if most people don't agree with that in the abstract. Not only people in their 30s, but it's who I see making a fuss about it. Presumably because they are now parents of children newly reaching this age. They are completely ignoring that they are entering…

UK Online Safety Act has a much bigger scope than porn.

In fact you've picked probably the least offensive, which is not to say uncontroversial, part of the law to argue with. Its illegal to distribute porn to minors just like its illegal to let underage people gamble on your poker app.

Yet people in factor of age verification laws for porn still have concerns with this because it's just a totally open-ended backdoor into content moderation across the internet.

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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Wikimedia should block UK access. That will get the attention of media and popularity contest politicians might change their mind. Remember the "Repeal the Online Safety Act" petition? It has gotten over half a million signatures and the response from the government was a loud "no". > The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and eff…

> Wikimedia should block UK access. That will get the attention of media and popularity contest politicians might change their mind. Or they could respect the democratic decisions of the countries they do business in? I'm quite critical of the implementation of this legislation but the idea of an American company throwing their weight around trying to influence policy decisions in the UK gives me the ick. Fair enough…

> Or they could respect the democratic decisions of the countries they do business in?

Blocking, making it clear why your blocking and that you will continue to block until it changes is respecting the decision.

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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This is about the duties of a "category 1 service" under the Online Safety Act. Wikipedia is one mostly because of their size, I believe. These duties are quite onerous, and over the top (someone might say that the government is seeing adults are real "snowflakes" these days): Large user-to-user services, known as Category 1 services, will be required to offer adult users tools which, if they choose to use, will give…

Only editors engage with each other on Wikipedia, right? Can they just ban sign up and edits by/from the UK?

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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I don't understand why Wikipedia would fall under Category 1. Am I looking at the wrong thing, or does the definition in 3.(1) not require the service to use an algorithmic recommendation system (which Wikipedia does not do)?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2025/9780348267174

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I am so much not willing to listen to what heritage specifically has to say on the topic. Could you pick less hypocritical and less eager to lie resources to "definitely not pick up on left totally both side"? Heritage foundation literally where Project 2025 was created and published. Also, I definitely love the track record of "the measure of free speech is your willingness to defend nazi and never use words to supp…

Sure, here are some liberal leaning sources saying things you might not like if you believe these things, including vile things said by extremist groups, should be censored:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

https://archive.is/TpU8Q

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/31/how-the-resurge...

Please note: I 100% abhor white supremacy and any kind of racism. But you can and should defend the right to free speech without agreeing with that speech.

We need to support the speech of all groups we detest - baby eaters, satanists, polygamists, racists, sexists, murderers, capitalists, Marxists, televangelists, etc. - in order to champion free speech for all. Once that freedom disappears, it won't come back. Then the systems of censorship and oppression will be used against us.

I'm LGBT. I know what it was like to grow up when my "lifestyle" was taboo. I know how easily and quickly society can change. I don't want to ever have my freedom removed or to be put into a box.

If you're uneasy about this, remember that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from judgement. If you say something disgusting, you'll lose credibility and business from most people. Crowds already effectively censor. But we don't need the government or public squares becoming thought police and building automated systems to muzzle and detain us. Once those systems get built, we're done for.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am so much not willing to listen to what heritage specifically has to say on the topic. Could you pick less hypocritical and less eager to lie resources to "definitely not pick up on left totally both side"? Heritage foundation literally where Project 2025 was created and published. Also, I definitely love the track record of "the measure of free speech is your willingness to defend nazi and never use words to supp…

Sure, here are some liberal leaning sources saying things you might not like if you believe these things, including vile things said by extremist groups, should be censored: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://archive.is/TpU8Q https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/31/how-the-resurge... Please note: I 100% abhor white supremacy and any kind of racism. But you can and should defend t…

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